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Dealing with inconsistencies: Clan Volkihar

  • September 1, 2015
    All-Maker? Was he a thing during the time of the Atmorans?
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    September 1, 2015

    The moondial looks Ayleid, and the moon crests seems to be made out of varla stones IMO.

  • September 1, 2015

    I don't think there was any Ayleids in Skyrim

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    September 1, 2015

    That's interesting.  Before during or after still puts him in the Soul Cairn during the Merethic, way too early for the rest to make sense in the way I see it.

    Of course, I'm using reasoning based on he idea that Vyrthur wrote his prophecy sometime after the disappearance of the Dwemer. If that logic is flawed then that means Lissette is more on the mark with her Late Merethic/early First Era hypothesis.

  • September 1, 2015

    I believe it's who the Skaal worship and they claim it's from the old ways of Atmora.

  • September 1, 2015

    My mind ain't that great, Phil. 

    Though in my narrative, Serana, Harkon, and other members of the clan can dwell under freezing water too. 

  • Member
    September 1, 2015

    According to Serana, the castle had previous owners.

    <Dragonborn> They aren't going to let us use the front door.
    <Serana> True. But I know a way we can get to the courtyard without arousing suspicion. There's an unused inlet on the northern side of the island that was used by the previous owners to bring supplies into the castle. An old escape tunnel from the castle exits there. I think that's our way in.

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    September 1, 2015

    She came from Thedas, of course.

  • September 1, 2015

    Found her dwemer stuff for ya, Phil. Generic dialogue, but she says this exclusively around Dwemer ruins. 

    "Is this a dwarven city? I can't believe they'd let it get so run down." Inside a Dwemer Ruin.
    "I always wondered what the dwarves actually looked like. I hear they're like elves, but with beards."

    blah, blah, blah! Problem is that she mixes tenses. She says is a Dwarven city instead of was a Dwarven city. They're is open to be either they are or they were, though sentence before is past tense. 

    It's silliness. You can imagine trying to do fanfiction off of this.

    I was thinking about what someone else said. I said that the sundial was Elvish make, which is backed up by her dialogue, though blah, I can't seem to find it right now. 

    But if we can agree that the house has elements of Falmer architecture, then why would the moondial be different. Unless...

    When it was a sundial - built by Falmer, cause why would you have a Falmer house with a Dwemer sundial, though granted, they kinda did coexist. 

    When Valerica converted it to a moondial, which we know she did - hired a Dwemer? Or another type of Elf? That would explain the Dwemerish look, and would it maybe fit in the time frame? I'm too tired to go back up in the thread and look. 

    We can all agree, it is Elven. Mebbe it's both? Maybe it's none of them, hahaha, and an Altmer made it. I almost put a similar sundial in the home of one of my protagonist's good friends and he would have recognized the construction upon entering Volkihar. He recognizes the construction of the castle regardless, as it does share similar features that are present in Elven architectural styles. 

  • Member
    September 1, 2015

    The question is who were the previous owners? Falmer as Veloth asserts? The original Volkihar of the old Immortal Blood lore? Both? Or something more mundane.

    Personally I find the idea that Immortal Blood is actually a hint of a far older story rather compelling. We know Vyrthur became a vampire through one of his acolytes but we don't know how the acolyte got infected. Imagining that Castle Volkihar sits on an old Snow Elf chapel and was once inhabited by Falmer vampires is quite funny. Not necessarily true but funny.