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Dealing with inconsistencies: Clan Volkihar

  • September 2, 2015
    Well, it sort of stemmed from using Requiem. For that overhaul, you need to be prepared and approach quests by doing research. He still gets things wrong though.
  • September 5, 2015

    I've never used Requiem but I do use Wet and Cold, iNeed and Sleep Tight. 

  • September 5, 2015

    Yeah, I use Requiem, iNeed, Wet and Cold, and frostfall.

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    September 6, 2015
    Perhaps she did visit the cities in her youth, but either a. Never met a dwemer face to face, or b, ha, but didn't know they vanished, and forgot what they looked like
  • September 6, 2015

    haha, she is sometimes a bit on the loopy side. 

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    September 9, 2015

    I'm sorry that I have nothing more to offer on the subject. We've entered into pure fiction now so it's down to interpretation. However, I quite like the idea that Immortal Blood is a retelling of an older tale. We know Movarth Piquine existed because we meet the chap so that in turn must mean that Immortal Blood can't be completely disregarded.

    So how about we deconstruct the story? We already have seen the possible parallels between the following line from the book and the two dragons. 

    "the Volkihar have an additional ability you didn't mention. They can reach through the ice of their lakes without breaking it. It was quite a nasty surprise, being grabbed from below without any warning."

    This also ties in with the idea that the Volkihar have a breath weapon. Because they're dragons.

    the Volkihar, paranoid and cruel, whose very breath could freeze their victims' blood in the veins. I explained to him how they lived beneath the ice of remote and haunted lakes, never venturing into the world of men except to feed.

    Another interesting thing is how they may have interacted with Vyrthur. I can't believe he stood on that balcony for eons and didn't know they were there below him. Did he learn his power from them? Or were they resurrected when Alduin came back? Either way, Vyrthur fits the parallel bill as the mysterious author:

    I came to learn that Movarth Piquine could see in the dark almost as well as the light — an excellent talent, considering his interests were exclusively nocturnal.

    One of my acolytes brought him to me, and from the look of him, I at first thought he was in need of healing. He was pale to the point of opalescence with a face that looked like it had once been very handsome before some unspeakable suffering. The dark circles under his eyes bespoke exhaustion, but the eyes themselves were alert, intense, almost insane.

    Both are leaders of a religious institution and both are secretly vampires. The entire Dawnguard dlc could just be an elaborate embellishment of Immortal Blood. The main character, Movarth Piquine, could be the book's version of TLD. Both start out as vampire hunters, both end up becoming vampires (possibly). When the old story makes room for the new, Movarth has to die.

  • September 9, 2015

    Interesting, very interesting. 

    I need to read Immortal Blood again. 

    Getting excited and once I'm finished with Book 1 of Straag Rod (love saying that, feel like a darn Nord), I will be compiling the notes from this thread and information on Clan Volkihar to begin an outline. 

    This hypothesis could serve as an excellent way to fix the plotholes in this DLC. 

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    September 9, 2015

    Wait, they were DRAGONS?! 

  • September 9, 2015

    Yeah, ain't gonna lie, I need Phil to explain this to me. Does he mean literally Volkihar are descending from those two dragon brothers at the lake?

    I fused as in confused. 

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    September 9, 2015

    Like I say this is all speculation and interpretation with nothing but reasonable deduction to back it up. I believe the dragons in Forgotten Vale never died and have been there for eons much like Paarthurnax survived the Dragon War and Blades purge. It's called the Forgotten Vale, after all.

    With that in mind I find it very hard to imagine the Arch-Curate wasn't aware of them. I'm going to take that a step further and say he actually conversed with them over the years and maybe, just maybe, that is how he learned his power. Also, we know that the Snow Elves inhabited Skyrim at the same time the dragons did. Even if the Nords brought them with them from Atmora, we know a span of time passed where Nord and Elf and presumably dragon lived in relative harmony.

    Heh, imagine if the Forgotten Vale was sacred because the dragons were there! That would mean the Snow Elves viewed dragons as being aspects of the divine Auriel just as the Nords did!

    Fast forward to some point in time, maybe during the Dragon War and imagine one of those adventurers Gelebor mentions arrives looking for Auriel's Bow. He passes through the Falmer dungeon and makes it to the Vale, only to be confronted by two dragons and a vampire. Somehow he manages to flee, but his mind is shattered from the horror of it. He makes it to town but the only sense the locals can get from him is three words in the language of dragons:

    Vol-Krii-Hah. Thus the legend was born