Are you people honestly saying that it's 100% impossible for a word that we are told means Changed (or Northern, or Crafty, or Cursed) and is used to refer to a people whose entire culture revolves around CHIM which means embracing change and the two can't relate? Seriously? CHIM. A word whose sigil is in constant flux and eternally changing.

Alright, time for another question. Am I correct in saying that homosexuality is accepted in Tamriel? Skyrim let you marry with others of the same gender, and ESO features multiple same-sex couples, but I just wanted to make sure. (Also, sorry if this has already been asked, I can't find a search function on SE anywhere)

Yes. Tamriel seems to lack a cultural history that condemns or demonizes homosexuality. Mainly because Judeo-Christian-Islamic values don't exist. I can't remember the source, but I recall reading a book somewhere in Skyrim that describes the Nord's attitudes towards love as, "Life is short. So when the freezing cold comes blowing from the North, who cares who you warm yourself with."

Yeah, makes sense that they'd be alright with homosexuality, not having any reason to not be, really. Also, I recall a Khajiiti book saying something along the lines of: "Get yourself a nice woman--or a man, if that is the direction your loins take..." I just wanted to make sure that this was generally OK in Tamriel, which it seems to be (even the Altmer, known for being uptight, have a few same-sex couples in ESO).

Now don´t take my word for it, Tenebrous, but I remember Phil mentioning something about Dunmer, something like that oral and anal sex is a cultural taboo for them. Might be because Boethia first ate Trinimac and then defecated him. So...I guess Dunmer are ok only with girl/girl action - as long as there isn´t an oral action :D

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Now don´t take my word for it, Tenebrous, but I remember Phil mentioning something about Dunmer, something like that oral and anal sex is a cultural taboo for them. Might be because Boethia first ate Trinimac and then defecated him. So...I guess Dunmer are ok only with girl/girl action - as long as there isn´t an oral action :D

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Well... that is informative...

There are certain parts of the 36 Lessons that, depending on how you interpret them either ban gay sex or ban sex with daedra.

Songs of the Return mention the goddess Kyne. The Dragon War asserts that:

In the Merethic Era, when Ysgramor first set foot on Tamriel, his people brought with them a faith that worshipped animal gods. Certain scholars believe these primitive people actually worshipped the divines as we know them, just in the form of these totem animals. They deified the hawk, wolf, snake, moth, owl, whale, bear, fox, and the dragon. Every now and then you can stumble across the broken stone totems in the farther reaches of Skyrim.

Feldir the Old calls Kyne "sister hawk."

Would it be fair to say that the mention of Kyne in the Song is a much later addition to story? If so, what does that say about the validity of the Song as a source? Does that even matter when taking into account the general bollocks all Nord myths boil down to?

Indeed, the Nords freely admit their mythic haberdashery, and take great delight in mish-mashing their legends together (and the legends of others, even their historic enemies, the Aldmer and Orsimer) into “whatever just tells a good story at feast time.” As their Clever Men are fond of saying, “The snows melt and then freeze again and in the end it is all still so much water. Legends are the same.”

Anyone else notice a coincidence between the number of Daedric Princes and the D&D Outer Planes? I get the feeling I've read someone bring up this topic before but I can't for the life of me remember where. Regardless, in standard D&D "Great Wheel" cosmology, there a 9 alignments along a Law-Chaos and Good-Evil scale. In the "Great Wheel" each alignment has its own Outer Plane that is the embodient of that alignment, plus another eight planes between adjacent alignments. Add 'em all up, and we get 17 Outer Planes. We have 17 Daedric Princes in the Elder Scrolls, and considering the influence of D&D on the genre and TES specifically, I can't help but wonder if this is not a coincidence.

I've attemped to roughly place the Daedric, but I'm having a difficult time placing them. I didn't think they would fit into this arrangment, but I thought it might be interesting if they did. I'd like to know if anyone else might be able to see more than I can with how it might all ft together.