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Monthly Lore discussion: An Early Saturalia Gift

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  • Member
    December 9, 2017


    We’ve all come across a copy or two of the Lusty Argonian Maid (bless Crassius Curo) and, perverts that we gamers generally are, we have all picked them up, stored them under our character’s bed and read them multiple times. Don’t try to deny it! Most of the Lore experts here have moved onto the more kinky and/or literary shit but we all started somewhere. Sexy times may not be clearly apparent in the TES games, but as most here will probably know Lore is full of it if you know where to look. From Molag Bal’s creepy kinks and the origins of Vampires to everything loosely related to Vivec (that guy is the king of perverts), there’s plenty of examples of sex in TES lore (beyond the obvious of course) and this month we’ll be discussing all of them.

    So go gather your collection of sexy sources, lore tidbits related to divine intercourse, and of course all of your copies of the Lusty Argonian Maid; yes, that includes the ones you hid in the stables with your horse! This December we’ll be discussing the role of sex in TES lore, specifically “interesting” characters from TES history, and just about everything you guys can think of.

    There is one rule though:




    Which means; everything will need to be safe for work. Good sex jokes are of course welcome just try to keep it lore related. I won’t hesitate to get rid of comments as I would like to remind everyone that all pictures, links and texts of a pornographic nature are forbidden on this site and can be grounds for a ban.




  • Member
    December 9, 2017
    Oh God, I better prepare myself for the endless amount of bad sex jokes and innuendos by our resident prevs... :P
  • Member
    December 9, 2017

    KaiserSoSay said: Oh God, I better prepare myself for the endless amount of bad sex jokes and innuendos by our resident prevs... :P

    That's the entire point XD

    Anyway, unless anyone else has a better starting point; What about Vivec?

  • December 9, 2017

    Hahahaha, perfect. Though I'm sort of worried you want to start right off the bat with Vivec and his spear-biting :D

    So Vivec, who had a grain of Ayem's mercy, set about to teach Molag Bal in the ways of belly-magic. They took their spears out and compared them. Vivec bit new words onto the King of Rape's so that it might give more than ruin to the uninitiated. This has since become a forbidden ritual, though people still practice it in secret.

    Here is why: The Velothi and demons and monsters that were watching all took out their own spears. There was much biting and the earth became wet. And this was the last laugh of Molag Bal:

    'Watch as the earth shall crack, heavy with so much power, that should have been forever unalike!'

    If I remember it correctly this should be about anal and oral sex, which is sort of a tabboo in Dunmeri culture - but apparently still practiced. But it makes you wonder. It's not like homosexuality is outrightly forbidden in Tribunal Morrowind, because it includes even the act between guy/chick one on one, saying that doing something more kinky is not right. 

    But yeah, Vivec. Vivec and his man-wives. Curious he prefers guys most of the times :D

  • Member
    December 9, 2017

    :D Man-wives made me laugh more than it should have. Love the topic, though, could not have picked a better person to start with than the Magic Hermaphrodite.

    Vivec's origins are a contradictory mess of different sources, mostly mythical but not necessarily un-true. So I kind of wanna start there before delving into Karver's mention of the taboo. Firstly, we gonna take a look at the out-of-game book, What My Beloved Taught Me, an interview detailing a young lady-man named Vehk meeting Indoril Nerevar:

    A Personal View of Chimeri Culture

    Who are you?

    A gutter-get, a daggerlad, a netchiman’s son. I have my own gang. Get away from me or they’ll stare.

    Who are we?

    ‘We’..? You mean ‘you’. You, sera, wear the namesake of a tramp’s house and your sandals are dusty. I’d guess you the guard of some canvasari, if I had to, and your lordship if you paid. Come now. A six-bitten dram and I’ll touch. A scrib-roll and we’ll have candles. Closer and in your ear: I was born a whelp-wench in my under, if that suits you.

    What makes us great?

    For true, you ask me this? I see only a sandal-foot sword in love with Mephala's teachings, and Veloth's. Won’t you love me, too? Or does his lordship want it Saliache, weeping and weak-kneed with their lisp, their lilt, as I can do that, too.

    Where do we live?

    Eh? This is the Mourning Hold, you may keep what inn you need. As for me, I call these alleys home, or the under-docks, and mark my only-known days with sores. You tilt your head in a way that I do not like.

    How do we live?

    You? You seem to live no life that I can match, and seem to do it from behind a mask. Drinksweat tubes beneath, if I’m no mistake. Fair, then: you have riches and a good master. So pay now or move on. I live by gutting those that would estimate me as some other worth; higher, lower, base, or dumb beast.

    What is important in my life?

    That’s for yourself to esteem. By now, and little offense, but you’ve set me bored. Have you brought a skoomerpipe with you, or flin? I’d show you a roof where we could look on this poor country of ash-woven outcasts and share sigils. Share spears.

    Who rules us?

    That bitch-whore of a storm that runs The Orphanage, if the writs be read. And I’ve yet to learn that bit of tradecraft. I see now only in the sigils, and yours are recognizable enough. Would you let me wear that mask, if only for a minute?

    What makes a Chimer great?

    Making sure the other dies before you.

    What is the difference between men and women?

    There is no difference in me, milord. Come: rooftop. Bring your money.

    What is evil?


    What is my lot in life?

    A sixth-dram dropped, and you flinch from my hand. Good, muthsera. Good for you. I have the third’s eye fire and can tell you the story of your house. In the all honest Vel, I’d rather have that than your hand. It has the ghartoki on it. Hold now, they both do. Who are you, sandal man?

    How do we deal with others?

    For you, I would shave this head. It would not do that your new friend shook an inconstant kwam-lice from it. I'd take the sigil of Vel, the V, and wear it twice. And I would be new, and believe in the one moon and star as your banner does. I’d make a legend of this netch longhook. Make no frown that this will be my weapon in your guard, however low its station. We all drink from the milk of our fathers. I’d learn to read and then write so that I could see right your name forever. And I would clean your feet so that the next time you made treaty it would be with an assured step.

    Who are our enemies?

    He that says your name wrong, in sky beard, or fourth corner, or the mock-walkers of our cousins, the tunnelers. This, too: the bitch-whore of storm if she does not take your hand when you ask it. And I see this idea behind that mask of yours already. You aim to take the land anew. You aim to wake the old sleeper. You aim to make the sky red. You have a name for it already.

    Who are our gods?

    Old things. Leftovers. We left them all behind with the weepers. Their names now are only numbers. I’ll become good with those, my Grace. Trust me. The ending of the words is HORTATOR.

    In this we can see sex was a huge part of Vivec's life even as a youth as it appears he was a prostitute. A pretty exotic one at that, being born "a whelp-wench in my under, if that suits you." Of course, this origin story goes against that which is written in the Sermons, so this could be the "true" Vivec we're reading about. In the Thirty-Six Lessons he's born in the ashland region, the son of a mer who is imprgenated by Sotha Sil and Almalexia.

  • Member
    December 10, 2017

    I just realized that Elder Scrolls doesn't really make the mention of sex that obvious in their lore. They just had to shroud it in the exotic tale of a godly hermaphrodite.

    BTW, I wonder how LGBT is handled in Elder Scrolls. I know there was one mention of LGBT in a letter inside a small shack which housed a Dwemer thingamajig.

  • December 10, 2017

    I know what you're talking about, Kaiser. It's on Solstheim. Hrodulf and Bjornolfr. It's actually quite funny because from the letter and the journal you wouldn't guess they are gay, it's only when you find both their corpses it hits you. So it's like...not said directly. 

  • December 10, 2017

    The Lorc of Flowers said:

    I know what you're talking about, Kaiser. It's on Solstheim. Hrodulf and Bjornolfr. It's actually quite funny because from the letter and the journal you wouldn't guess they are gay, it's only when you find both their corpses it hits you. So it's like...not said directly. 

    And this is what I love about TES sexual references. TES is actually a highly sexual world, highly charged with the combo of violence and sex. Go read Shor son of Shor for that (I think Dibella is basically clubbed and dragged to bed for shooting her mouth, echos of Aphrodite and Ares anyone?) and the story about the two lovers that became lovers after they tried to kill each other. The Khajiit origin story involves a whole lot of making babies! On the flip side, because of the cultural models they are basing the societies on, you are getting the references hidden in allegory and metaphor, very similar to how these references were done in the Middle Ages and Rennaisance. John Dunn wrote some pretty erotic stuff, if you understand the metaphor in his famous The Flea. 

    I mean seriously, Reman fucks mud. There be some kinky shit in TES. 

    Yes, back to our favorite hermaphradite god. It would stand to reason that someone born with such special parts would be put to good use and I have no doubts that Vivec was a prostitute. In several tales of major religions there are segments where the "god" figure experiences sin and yeah, that includes sex. I believe Siddhartha does in his trist with the courtesan and let's not even touch on Beowulf, which is quite a sexually charged tale, if you think about it, as are the Knights of the Round table. You really cannot transcend if you don't know what sin or life experiences really are. 

  • December 10, 2017

    PS: Only a matter of time before I'd pop into this thread. Lol, cannot resist. :D

  • Member
    December 10, 2017
    Always wondered whether the Dunmer see sex as a sin, or something to be ashamed about. Not only do they worship a literal pervert god, but everyone knows of the promiscuity of both male and female Dark Elves. I think this is due not only to worship of Vivec, but also due to a cultural "acceptance". Thoughts? Epic thread, btw.