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DEATHMATCH June 18/19th

• Golden Fool

  

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  June 18, 2016

  I agree that they should be the "extremely obvious hyperlink" , it doesn't really make sense to me that there's these pages set up for each rank and yet the link you're most likely to see bypasses those pages. 

  I agree that they should be the "extremely obvious hyperlink" , it doesn't really make sense to me that there's these pages set up for each rank and yet the link you're most likely to see bypasses those pages. 

• soly

  

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  June 18, 2016

  Oh, don't get me wrong, the hyperlinks are essential as they provide a quick way to search each rank. I just think the icons should be... just icons, and a second hyperlink could be provided.

  How active are the pages, anyway? I understand the Recognised page was last updated with a build in March or so, and the Bloodworks' page's featured build was posted in May. Didn't look at the other pages.

  Oh, don't get me wrong, the hyperlinks are essential as they provide a quick way to search each rank. I just think the icons should be... just icons, and a second hyperlink could be provided.

  How active are the pages, anyway? I understand the Recognised page was last updated with a build in March or so, and the Bloodworks' page's featured build was posted in May. Didn't look at the other pages.

• Curse Never Dying

  

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  June 18, 2016

  You're not holding me at fault because the ravaged will likely fade into recognized obscurity, are you? Because there is literally nothing I can do about that....

  You're not holding me at fault because the ravaged will likely fade into recognized obscurity, are you? Because there is literally nothing I can do about that....
• Curse Never Dying

  

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  June 18, 2016

  The rank discussions are also tagged with their respective rank's tag. They are also permanently featured. We've taken steps to make them relatively easy to find, believe me.

  The rank discussions are also tagged with their respective rank's tag. They are also permanently featured. We've taken steps to make them relatively easy to find, believe me.
• SpookyBorn2021

  

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  June 18, 2016

  That's why I've called out part of the problem being how in-depth people go with their comments. I know as an ex-Workshop Host that I comment more than most (and by more...I mean a lot more) per comment but I feel like that one major difference between how builds are treated these days. I rarely see people leaving detailed comments, whether constructive or just straight up positive and to me this leads to a community that sets people ip for failure. I mean how often have you seen, go post it in the Workshop, check this thread, check tha thread rather than a commenter running through each positive or negative about a build. Trust me Phil, I see the same problem, but to me it's an easily fixable one, more people commenting and those comments need to be more detailed (I'm not saying DB comment length, but I can't see a comment that isn't around this long helping a new builder out). I don't want to call out people, or say that everyone else is doing shit or anything, but if 10 members left a detailed comment on a build, they'd have more help improving their build than any thread can. Anyway, I dunno if anyone really cares at this point, I have tried to say this a couple times (but admittedly was a bit of an asshole about) but it is something I see as a problem. Comments = Improvements = More Work = People Staying and Being Happy

  That's why I've called out part of the problem being how in-depth people go with their comments. I know as an ex-Workshop Host that I comment more than most (and by more...I mean a lot more) per comment but I feel like that one major difference between how builds are treated these days. I rarely see people leaving detailed comments, whether constructive or just straight up positive and to me this leads to a community that sets people ip for failure. I mean how often have you seen, go post it in the Workshop, check this thread, check tha thread rather than a commenter running through each positive or negative about a build. Trust me Phil, I see the same problem, but to me it's an easily fixable one, more people commenting and those comments need to be more detailed (I'm not saying DB comment length, but I can't see a comment that isn't around this long helping a new builder out). I don't want to call out people, or say that everyone else is doing shit or anything, but if 10 members left a detailed comment on a build, they'd have more help improving their build than any thread can. Anyway, I dunno if anyone really cares at this point, I have tried to say this a couple times (but admittedly was a bit of an asshole about) but it is something I see as a problem. Comments = Improvements = More Work = People Staying and Being Happy
• soly

  

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  June 18, 2016

  Of course not. To be honest, I don't think anything could be done about that. I suppose I was just letting my mouth run.

  I'd just always kind of looked at the deathmatches as sort of a way to garner attention (which, to be perfectly honest, I think it kind of fails at, because of the fading into recognised obscurity, plus reasons I detailed above). But their primary purpose is in cleaning house, which kind of takes the wind out of my sails, because it does indeed do a good job at that.

  Perhaps if the deathmatch-featured builds took more responsibility for their quality, I'd think differently. But to me, if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

  Of course not. To be honest, I don't think anything could be done about that. I suppose I was just letting my mouth run.

  I'd just always kind of looked at the deathmatches as sort of a way to garner attention (which, to be perfectly honest, I think it kind of fails at, because of the fading into recognised obscurity, plus reasons I detailed above). But their primary purpose is in cleaning house, which kind of takes the wind out of my sails, because it does indeed do a good job at that.

  Perhaps if the deathmatch-featured builds took more responsibility for their quality, I'd think differently. But to me, if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

• soly

  

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  June 18, 2016

  Not that they're difficult to find - I looked, and I found the Bloodworks discussion in under two minutes. But that necessitated my knowing about the discussion at all. I... just took a second look and saw the sentence "click on one the emblems below to be taken to each rank's respective discussion page" (in bold and underlined, to boot!).

  Perhaps it's my fault. Well, probably it's my fault.

  Not that they're difficult to find - I looked, and I found the Bloodworks discussion in under two minutes. But that necessitated my knowing about the discussion at all. I... just took a second look and saw the sentence "click on one the emblems below to be taken to each rank's respective discussion page" (in bold and underlined, to boot!).

  Perhaps it's my fault. Well, probably it's my fault.

• Curse Never Dying

  

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  June 18, 2016

  As far as criticism goes, do we not essentially agree to being criticized when we post something on a forum? Does this not hold true for the Internet at large? I think one should evaluate their ability to take criticism before they share something, because criticism is virtually inevitable in any given space. Criticism is not inherently bad. I feel like people are beginning to forget that fact. Ultimately, nobody on the Internet can make you feel anything without your consent. You decide whether the helpful but of criticism is going to burn or not. You can choose to ignore the asswipe who clearly has nothing constructive to say to you. But the people taking several minutes, if not hours, each day to critique things aren't doing it to tear anyone down. By and large they all wish to help, and its up to the author to listen and learn from it all. It's how we get better at anything we set our minds to. Nobody ever starts out as a great builder, or even a good one. You would all laugh if I showed you the very first iteration of my first build. You'd laugh even harder if I showed you my first character sketches. But I got better at both because I took in the constructive criticism, harsh as some of them were, and learned from them.

  As far as criticism goes, do we not essentially agree to being criticized when we post something on a forum? Does this not hold true for the Internet at large? I think one should evaluate their ability to take criticism before they share something, because criticism is virtually inevitable in any given space. Criticism is not inherently bad. I feel like people are beginning to forget that fact. Ultimately, nobody on the Internet can make you feel anything without your consent. You decide whether the helpful but of criticism is going to burn or not. You can choose to ignore the asswipe who clearly has nothing constructive to say to you. But the people taking several minutes, if not hours, each day to critique things aren't doing it to tear anyone down. By and large they all wish to help, and its up to the author to listen and learn from it all. It's how we get better at anything we set our minds to. Nobody ever starts out as a great builder, or even a good one. You would all laugh if I showed you the very first iteration of my first build. You'd laugh even harder if I showed you my first character sketches. But I got better at both because I took in the constructive criticism, harsh as some of them were, and learned from them.
• Curse Never Dying

  

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  June 18, 2016

  I update them about once a month. It's up to those needing help to put forth the effort to use them.

  I update them about once a month. It's up to those needing help to put forth the effort to use them.
• Albino

  

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  June 18, 2016

  I used to care about how many likes I got until I realised it was pointless. If just one person enjoys your build, then your build is a success.

  This. People should post builds because they enjoy act of doing so. Posting a build solely to gain likes or be popular will inevitably set yourself up for disappointment when one of your builds doesn't go over as well as you'd like it to.

  I used to care about how many likes I got until I realised it was pointless. If just one person enjoys your build, then your build is a success.

  This. People should post builds because they enjoy act of doing so. Posting a build solely to gain likes or be popular will inevitably set yourself up for disappointment when one of your builds doesn't go over as well as you'd like it to.