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DEATHMATCH June 18/19th

• ShyGuyWolf

  

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  June 18, 2016

  will you lock it away and throw away the key?

  will you lock it away and throw away the key?

• Paul

  

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  June 18, 2016

  The disappointing thing about this bunch is that all of them had multiple people  making great suggestions as to how to improve the builds, which does not appear to have been heeded.

  For that reason alone I'd say it would be reasonable to delete them. Frankly, if people won't be helped, then they don't deserve to have their builds on the site.

  Obviously, the Ravager of Sands does have decent presentation, and so stands out like a beacon of light in the murky blackness. It got my vote, but not a like. It will win the poll, but how long before its back in the Deathmatch?

  The disappointing thing about this bunch is that all of them had multiple people  making great suggestions as to how to improve the builds, which does not appear to have been heeded.

  For that reason alone I'd say it would be reasonable to delete them. Frankly, if people won't be helped, then they don't deserve to have their builds on the site.

  Obviously, the Ravager of Sands does have decent presentation, and so stands out like a beacon of light in the murky blackness. It got my vote, but not a like. It will win the poll, but how long before its back in the Deathmatch?

• Noodles

  

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  June 18, 2016

  You're too harsh man... Maybe at least a part of the authors had more important real life issues than improving a discussion related to a five year old game. Just saying... Skyrim is only a game after all.

  You're too harsh man... Maybe at least a part of the authors had more important real life issues than improving a discussion related to a five year old game. Just saying... Skyrim is only a game after all.

• Paul

  

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  June 18, 2016

  Only a game? 

  Seriously though, I think my point is valid. If you look at the builds, people gave helpful feedback sometimes within hours of the build being posted. It seems unlikely that 'real life issues' would have overtaken the builders so soon. 

  No, I think in most cases (perhaps there is the odd exception) people 'throw out' builds on the assumption that the standard is acceptable and simply don't bother to try and improve it, even  when people help them to improve it

  It's the whole basis and raison d'être for 'The Workshop'!

  Only a game? 

  Seriously though, I think my point is valid. If you look at the builds, people gave helpful feedback sometimes within hours of the build being posted. It seems unlikely that 'real life issues' would have overtaken the builders so soon. 

  No, I think in most cases (perhaps there is the odd exception) people 'throw out' builds on the assumption that the standard is acceptable and simply don't bother to try and improve it, even  when people help them to improve it

  It's the whole basis and raison d'être for 'The Workshop'!

• Matt Feeney the New Guy

  

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  June 18, 2016

  That's a man who loves his job.

  That's a man who loves his job.
• Paws

  

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  June 18, 2016

  After reading Bonelord's comments on the deathmatch builds, this from Tim Goggin made me sad earlier:

  "This is like 20000 times better than my first build....which sucked so badly there was literally nothing but negative comments, but its still a compliment, right?"

  I confess I lost my shit a bit. Maybe the reason why these builds were not updated is because these guys were in pain. To post a build takes one of two things, either a massive ego and a me me me attitude, or serious balls as the poster desires to share what matters to them.

  In both cases the perception that the site hates what they have done could inflict a fair bit of damage and create bitterness down the road. And that makes me sad.

  I realise this is a can of worms, that there are many variables and evidence that constructive criticism was given, but I felt the need to say it before it eats away at me. 

  After reading Bonelord's comments on the deathmatch builds, this from Tim Goggin made me sad earlier:

  "This is like 20000 times better than my first build....which sucked so badly there was literally nothing but negative comments, but its still a compliment, right?"

  I confess I lost my shit a bit. Maybe the reason why these builds were not updated is because these guys were in pain. To post a build takes one of two things, either a massive ego and a me me me attitude, or serious balls as the poster desires to share what matters to them.

  In both cases the perception that the site hates what they have done could inflict a fair bit of damage and create bitterness down the road. And that makes me sad.

  I realise this is a can of worms, that there are many variables and evidence that constructive criticism was given, but I felt the need to say it before it eats away at me. 

• Relycs

  

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  June 18, 2016

  I think the reason why we see those people say things like "I hope I can do better in the future" instead of really trying to improve their build is exactly that, the feeling that the site hates their content anyway so for them it's actually better to abandon what they've created and start anew, either leading to the same situation again or making them leave the site/giving up. I dare to say that there are barely any newer builders that get out of this without massive support or beeing stubborn like hell.

  I think the reason why we see those people say things like "I hope I can do better in the future" instead of really trying to improve their build is exactly that, the feeling that the site hates their content anyway so for them it's actually better to abandon what they've created and start anew, either leading to the same situation again or making them leave the site/giving up. I dare to say that there are barely any newer builders that get out of this without massive support or beeing stubborn like hell.
• Gollum

  

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  June 18, 2016

  The only negative thing said on his build was when Ebonslayer called it dull. If he really cared about his build he would have fixed its problems, instead of saying he would improve on his next build. There is nothing positive to say about that build. Tim goggin can't take criticism, and that's no ones fault but his.

  The only negative thing said on his build was when Ebonslayer called it dull. If he really cared about his build he would have fixed its problems, instead of saying he would improve on his next build. There is nothing positive to say about that build. Tim goggin can't take criticism, and that's no ones fault but his.
• SpookyBorn2021

  

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  June 18, 2016

  Eh, I don't really get it to be honest... I mean, I fought through a lot worse than, "your build is a bit dull" when I was  joining up, I mean sure, I was excited about getting 3 likes back then ,he idea that even 3 people might have liked a concept was enough to make me...I won't say squeal, but mentally sequel. But I would actually use the information provided to me, so-and-so would comment on the negatives of the build, I would fix said problems up. That's pretty much all it took for me to end up getting to an Event:Legendary level (well...Okay, Event:Mythic with a single outlier...) I didn't do this by having some tutor me (so to say), I didn't use the sheer force of resources we have to help builders that we have know, it was all based on actually following through on advice that I was given (which usually was full of negative comments...helpful but negative, like Ebonslayer's there) 

  My point is, I'm pretty flexible with whether or not I'll like a build, the instant someone shows effort to fix their mistakes, I'll generally drop a like (in fact I'm more willing to like an improved build than one that was just posted as a really good build) to me I suppose, the commitment is what matters. Sure, not everyone can show this commitment, but that's just how I judge Deathmatch builds. All of these guys could have had builds nearing on good if they'd spent, maybe an hour fixing up their build (a bit more for the ones without pictures). I do believe that to a certain extent the community here can push new builders away, but that isn't really relevant here. There was support from bigger builders, or long-term members on all of them (RotS even was in the Shop I believe.) so they had the chance to improve their build and either didn't or couldn't follow up on that. 

  Eh, I don't really get it to be honest... I mean, I fought through a lot worse than, "your build is a bit dull" when I was  joining up, I mean sure, I was excited about getting 3 likes back then ,he idea that even 3 people might have liked a concept was enough to make me...I won't say squeal, but mentally sequel. But I would actually use the information provided to me, so-and-so would comment on the negatives of the build, I would fix said problems up. That's pretty much all it took for me to end up getting to an Event:Legendary level (well...Okay, Event:Mythic with a single outlier...) I didn't do this by having some tutor me (so to say), I didn't use the sheer force of resources we have to help builders that we have know, it was all based on actually following through on advice that I was given (which usually was full of negative comments...helpful but negative, like Ebonslayer's there) 

  My point is, I'm pretty flexible with whether or not I'll like a build, the instant someone shows effort to fix their mistakes, I'll generally drop a like (in fact I'm more willing to like an improved build than one that was just posted as a really good build) to me I suppose, the commitment is what matters. Sure, not everyone can show this commitment, but that's just how I judge Deathmatch builds. All of these guys could have had builds nearing on good if they'd spent, maybe an hour fixing up their build (a bit more for the ones without pictures). I do believe that to a certain extent the community here can push new builders away, but that isn't really relevant here. There was support from bigger builders, or long-term members on all of them (RotS even was in the Shop I believe.) so they had the chance to improve their build and either didn't or couldn't follow up on that. 

• ShyGuyWolf

  

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  June 18, 2016

  true, I thought the picture was getting a reply.

  true, I thought the picture was getting a reply.