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DEATHMATCH June 18/19th

• Relycs

  

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  June 18, 2016

  Like I said, that's how I'm seeing it. It's not about 'negative comments' and such, it's about beeing (mentaly) unable to make things happen at a specific, decisive moment.
  It's happening to me too, you know?

  Like I said, that's how I'm seeing it. It's not about 'negative comments' and such, it's about beeing (mentaly) unable to make things happen at a specific, decisive moment.
  It's happening to me too, you know?
• Paws

  

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  June 18, 2016

  Go on Relycs, this is interesting to me. What are you feeling? And how does it relate to potential new builders? What words would resonate in you now if you posted a build and felt... insecurity? Or trepidation? 

  Go on Relycs, this is interesting to me. What are you feeling? And how does it relate to potential new builders? What words would resonate in you now if you posted a build and felt... insecurity? Or trepidation? 

• Paws

  

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  June 18, 2016

  I hear you Deebs but don't you think times have changed a bit? The giants who set the standards and forged the CBG into the powerhouse it is grew up in a different era. With each build the quality improved and I dare say in many ways they wrote for each other. Mason would post, followed by Easily Remember, each bouncing off each other. 

  I think you and I grew up a bit later, a golden age where it was all skyrim all the time. A good build was how you made your mark, and it was fun but also quite high pressured. 

  Nowadays I think things are more relaxed. Guys needn't product legendary builds to be recognized, in fact they needn't build at all. The focus has switched subtly from competition to fun. 

  So anything which takes away the fun and inspiration troubles me. Like, we are a community. To be part of the community now is easier than before in my opinion. The best times are collaborations or when you are writing knowing you are doing it for another. But new members don't have that yet. They face the challenge of intergration. How to be seen? How to become part of us? 

  I can't help feeling that if their first project was a build and that build, however below standard it may be, was met with approval and support rather than constructive criticism, they may leave felling secure they have been accepted by the community.

  A subtle difference between constructive criticism and support, but it could make a difference to an individual. Both have merits and it is not for me to dictate which is better long term, all I can do is go with what I believe.

  I hear you Deebs but don't you think times have changed a bit? The giants who set the standards and forged the CBG into the powerhouse it is grew up in a different era. With each build the quality improved and I dare say in many ways they wrote for each other. Mason would post, followed by Easily Remember, each bouncing off each other. 

  I think you and I grew up a bit later, a golden age where it was all skyrim all the time. A good build was how you made your mark, and it was fun but also quite high pressured. 

  Nowadays I think things are more relaxed. Guys needn't product legendary builds to be recognized, in fact they needn't build at all. The focus has switched subtly from competition to fun. 

  So anything which takes away the fun and inspiration troubles me. Like, we are a community. To be part of the community now is easier than before in my opinion. The best times are collaborations or when you are writing knowing you are doing it for another. But new members don't have that yet. They face the challenge of intergration. How to be seen? How to become part of us? 

  I can't help feeling that if their first project was a build and that build, however below standard it may be, was met with approval and support rather than constructive criticism, they may leave felling secure they have been accepted by the community.

  A subtle difference between constructive criticism and support, but it could make a difference to an individual. Both have merits and it is not for me to dictate which is better long term, all I can do is go with what I believe.

• Paws

  

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  June 18, 2016

  My answer would be why the fuck should he? If I post a blog it is my creation. Mine. I do what I want with it, when I want to. Who are we to tell anyone "not acceptable"? Art is art. Why is a build any different? Do we tell bloggers "nope"? Do we tell picture uploaders "nope"?  Yet we do for builds.

  Why? Because we have an image to maintain? Ok, I acknowledge that. But need it be so damaging to an individual that they feel the sting of it months later?

  How Tim reacts or doesn't react is not my goddamn business. What is my business is that a member of our community may have been hurt by our community. The moment that ceases to matter is the moment we should all shut the lid on the laptop and walk away. 

  My answer would be why the fuck should he? If I post a blog it is my creation. Mine. I do what I want with it, when I want to. Who are we to tell anyone "not acceptable"? Art is art. Why is a build any different? Do we tell bloggers "nope"? Do we tell picture uploaders "nope"?  Yet we do for builds.

  Why? Because we have an image to maintain? Ok, I acknowledge that. But need it be so damaging to an individual that they feel the sting of it months later?

  How Tim reacts or doesn't react is not my goddamn business. What is my business is that a member of our community may have been hurt by our community. The moment that ceases to matter is the moment we should all shut the lid on the laptop and walk away. 

• Relycs

  

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  June 18, 2016

  ^This.

  ^This.
• Curse Never Dying

  

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  June 18, 2016

  It should be noted that this week I intentionally picked builds whose authors had abandoned their work with little to no effort to improve them. There was one notable exception: the ravaged of the sands. Kojo acted on the criticism he was given and as a result his build is crushing it's competition. I find that overall we are a very constructive community. There are rare outliers who can be a bit too blunt, if not downright insulting, but for the most part we take time out of our day to critique a build to help the author. But in the end it is up to the author to care enough about what he's posted to improve it. Because if he doesn't care, why should we? Why should anyone treat an almost intentionally sub par build like something to be cherished, when the author clearly doesn't care. It's a waste of our time and energy.

  It should be noted that this week I intentionally picked builds whose authors had abandoned their work with little to no effort to improve them. There was one notable exception: the ravaged of the sands. Kojo acted on the criticism he was given and as a result his build is crushing it's competition. I find that overall we are a very constructive community. There are rare outliers who can be a bit too blunt, if not downright insulting, but for the most part we take time out of our day to critique a build to help the author. But in the end it is up to the author to care enough about what he's posted to improve it. Because if he doesn't care, why should we? Why should anyone treat an almost intentionally sub par build like something to be cherished, when the author clearly doesn't care. It's a waste of our time and energy.
• Raid

  

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  June 18, 2016

  *Teccam :D I doubt people will recognise the name Easily Remembered.

  *Teccam :D I doubt people will recognise the name Easily Remembered.
• Curse Never Dying

  

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  June 18, 2016

  But art can and should be open to criticism, should it not? Nobody is hurling rotting tomatoes at a an author. Rather, there is an outpouring of help whenever it's clear an author is struggling.

  But art can and should be open to criticism, should it not? Nobody is hurling rotting tomatoes at a an author. Rather, there is an outpouring of help whenever it's clear an author is struggling.
• Relycs

  

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  June 18, 2016

  Well, I'm actually 'afraid' of posting a build because I just feel like/know I'm 'not good enough' for this build to become more than just a build. I do not believe I can form it like what the community would like to see. I'm afraid of it becomming wasted time, you know? Just something to pass by. That keeps me from doing anything else than watching other newer builders having the spirit to just post their builds, which I greatly respect.
  I had it once too but lost this spirit the moment I left back my first build. It was exactly the same scenario that I described earlier. I never really came back to improve it because I knew it wouldn't change anything, possibly making things worse for 'me'. It took my will to create.

  Well, I'm actually 'afraid' of posting a build because I just feel like/know I'm 'not good enough' for this build to become more than just a build. I do not believe I can form it like what the community would like to see. I'm afraid of it becomming wasted time, you know? Just something to pass by. That keeps me from doing anything else than watching other newer builders having the spirit to just post their builds, which I greatly respect.
  I had it once too but lost this spirit the moment I left back my first build. It was exactly the same scenario that I described earlier. I never really came back to improve it because I knew it wouldn't change anything, possibly making things worse for 'me'. It took my will to create.
• Paws

  

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  June 18, 2016

  Relycs, thanks for telling me that dude. Could not have been an easy thing to type. Are you comfortable discussing it further? I think it would help to examine that spirit, talk about how and why it went and how much is internal and how much is external influence. Shoot a pm if you prefer privacy 

  Relycs, thanks for telling me that dude. Could not have been an easy thing to type. Are you comfortable discussing it further? I think it would help to examine that spirit, talk about how and why it went and how much is internal and how much is external influence. Shoot a pm if you prefer privacy