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The Dragon Cult Reexamined

  • Member
    October 25, 2014

    A bit different. I don't think that they would be interested in worshipping Alduin or Paarth, but there's really no knowing either way. In Paarth's case, the odds of the Greybeards submitting to the superior voice of other dragons (those presumably converted to the Way of the Voice) is much higher. After that, it become a question of whether or not they attract others to their philosophy. There's a couple of hurdles between them and a 'dragon cult', but they're very surmountable hurdles.

  • Member
    October 25, 2014

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I understood that Paarth was able to overcome his nature by meditating on top of the Throat of the World. How exactly would he teach the Way to the other dragons? I honestly doubt that the remaining dragons would voluntarily show up for Paarth's version of yoga class. This would mean that Paarth would have to leave the mountain and go to them (presumably, to make his converts). I worry that if he leaves the mountain--his place of meditation and solitude--his base nature will get the best of him.

  • Member
    October 26, 2014

    I worry that if he leaves the mountain--his place of meditation and solitude--his base nature will get the best of him.

    That is a great thought. The throat of the world is a very special place and there could indeed be a deeper reason why Paarthurnax is able to find peace there and why Jurgen the Calm chose to build his temple there.

  • Member
    October 26, 2014
    Just a bit of scholarly conjecture here. I'm curious as to the specifics of the time-altering abilities of the Dragon Priest Masks. If they have some (undisclosed?) power over time, perhaps Miraak's Dragon Aspect shout summons future dragonborns, or potential dragonborns from other timelines. As for Akatosh turning into the father of dragons and time, after a time we know Dragons and time already existed- once Aka gained that power/title, he perhaps could've retroactively made himself the Father figure. I like the concept of time travel so I had to chime in lol
  • Member
    October 26, 2014

    Excellent as always, Phil. I'd like to throw in a few thoughts.

    I agree with notion that dragon priests were dragonborn and it's through that ability that they were able to get those "small amounts of power". However, as you said, the will to dominate would've manifested in dragon priests that way. Why didn't they fight alongside men against dragons? With their powers they would've been a great boon. But no, they choose to serve dragons, and Miraak is the only exception. What did the dragons do to ensure that kind of obedience. I have a theory (not supported by any source) that it is tied to their masks. Miraak is an exception, since he got contacted by the Hermaeus Mora, who gave him the knowledge to bend dragons to his will which in turn implies that he couldn't have been controlled by dragons (Illusive Man, Mass Effect 3). Thoughts?

  • Member
    October 26, 2014

    Considering that Miraak's mask clearly not a dragon priest's, I think that it's quite plausible. The general idea that all the dragon priests were dragonborn I find much less likely. The masks themselves could easily be these "small amounts of power".

  • Member
    October 26, 2014

    True, didn't think of that. Like a Trojan Horse 

  • Member
    October 26, 2014

    Thanks Vazgen. You raise hard questions. I like your mask idea and the thought that dragons could control the will of those who wear them. This ties neatly with the idea that only the player character in the role of the mythic Prisoner could wear them without penalty.

    The only thing I can think of, beside your Mask idea, is that the other priests were simply loyal. The Guardian and the Traitor is very pro Dragon Cult in it's writing that it almost convinces one that Vahlok was a paragon of virtue -  at least in the eyes of the dragons. If  any of my speculation in the post is right, then the Dragon Cult may not have been a wholly evil thing and, while the priests may have been corrupted by power, it might have been power over lesser mortals as dragons could well have been still been seen as gods - it would have been anathema to slay their own gods.

    Now, seeing as the dragons appear to be in absolute control over what the priests learned, maybe they weren't strong enough to challenge the dov. Miraak had his secret black books and Mora's knowledge to give him the edge but what advantage would the Dragonborn Priests have?

  • Member
    October 27, 2014

    Have you read the Alchemist's Note? The loyalty of the Dragon Cult members to the dragons seems unwavering while tensions within the cult were still present. Dragons for them were gods and they were ready to defend their faith to the last breath. 

  • Member
    October 27, 2014

    Well there it is then. Nice to see it in black and white