Hmmm, I see. I think in both cases there're some issues. Only Miraak is a Dragonborn, which paints the whole situation in entirely new colors.
I have a slight feeling that HM has a sort of obsession with Auri-El. The episode when he tried to turn Ysgramor into an elf (lol)), his Dragonborn fetish, something tells me that he had a tentacle in the whole Falmer story too.
Hmmm, I see. I think in both cases there're some issues. Only Miraak is a Dragonborn, which paints the whole situation in entirely new colors.
I have a slight feeling that HM has a sort of obsession with Auri-El. The episode when he tried to turn Ysgramor into an elf (lol)), his Dragonborn fetish, something tells me that he had a tentacle in the whole Falmer story too.
There's the whole Xarxes thing too. See, The Mysterium Xarxes was written by Dragon and it held the secret to becoming Dragonborn, which Mankar used to wear the AoK. Xarxes was Mora's scribe. So we have this game of connect the dots leading right back to Mora.
Good thoughts on Ysgramor. Like that Mora is an enemy God of the Nords. He was always trying to make them into elves.
There's the whole Xarxes thing too. See, The Mysterium Xarxes was written by Dragon and it held the secret to becoming Dragonborn, which Mankar used to wear the AoK. Xarxes was Mora's scribe. So we have this game of connect the dots leading right back to Mora.
Good thoughts on Ysgramor. Like that Mora is an enemy God of the Nords. He was always trying to make them into elves.
Well it needs refinement and is a conspiracy theory more than anything else, but we look at circumstantial evidence like Jurgen's daedric tomb and the Mora-Xarxes-Dagon-Mankar-Dragonborn thing.
So it raises your question, what is mora's game? Did he influence Jurgen and start a chain reaction of events which led to the civil war and the fall of Snow Tower?
Did he set in motion a chain reaction which led Xarxes to... something... which led to Dagon writing his Mysterium Xarxes, which in turn led to Mankar becoming Dragonborn and the fall of White Gold Tower?
It all leads to the summit of apocrypha and the last Dragonborn becoming Miraak. How much was Mora's plan?
Well it needs refinement and is a conspiracy theory more than anything else, but we look at circumstantial evidence like Jurgen's daedric tomb and the Mora-Xarxes-Dagon-Mankar-Dragonborn thing.
So it raises your question, what is mora's game? Did he influence Jurgen and start a chain reaction of events which led to the civil war and the fall of Snow Tower?
Did he set in motion a chain reaction which led Xarxes to... something... which led to Dagon writing his Mysterium Xarxes, which in turn led to Mankar becoming Dragonborn and the fall of White Gold Tower?
It all leads to the summit of apocrypha and the last Dragonborn becoming Miraak. How much was Mora's plan?
Did he influence Jurgen and start a chain reaction of events which led to the civil war and the fall of Snow Tower?
How so?
You think he wants to destroy the Towers? What benefit he would gain from it? And how can it be tied to Auri-El (and subsequently the Dragonborns)?
Did he influence Jurgen and start a chain reaction of events which led to the civil war and the fall of Snow Tower?
How so?
You think he wants to destroy the Towers? What benefit he would gain from it? And how can it be tied to Auri-El (and subsequently the Dragonborns)?
It's all "what ifs" which us why it shouldn't be taken too seriously, but the idea here is that Jurgen turned the voice into a tool of praise rather than a weapon of war. This is key to Ulfric and his motivations - skyrim should be ruled by a strong king like the days of old.
The only thing linking it to Mora is the daedric script in his tomb. Circumstantial.
As to ending the towers the theory seems to support that, yes. Why is unknown. Maybe it ties to Miraak's chant and the unmaking of the world - which would put Mora opposed to Auriel like the Adversary of Skaal myth.
Personally I think that misses something though. It's more like the greedy man hoarding souls to himself. Maybe he wants to be the new Godhead? Need more data.
It's all "what ifs" which us why it shouldn't be taken too seriously, but the idea here is that Jurgen turned the voice into a tool of praise rather than a weapon of war. This is key to Ulfric and his motivations - skyrim should be ruled by a strong king like the days of old.
The only thing linking it to Mora is the daedric script in his tomb. Circumstantial.
As to ending the towers the theory seems to support that, yes. Why is unknown. Maybe it ties to Miraak's chant and the unmaking of the world - which would put Mora opposed to Auriel like the Adversary of Skaal myth.
Personally I think that misses something though. It's more like the greedy man hoarding souls to himself. Maybe he wants to be the new Godhead? Need more data.
Idiots don't need a real reason to do idiotic things. With Ulfric, if it wasn't the Voice it would be something else. He is not a strong king but an easy pawn for the Thalmor.
I honestly think turning the Voice to a more peaceful purpose is not a bad thing though. It shows that there's still hope for the Nords, that they can be more thn mindless killers.
You know, the thought occured to me, back when we were talking about Talos and Lorkhan, that the whole idea of the Daedra is that each of them wants to become the new Godhead. While the Aedra (and Lorkhan) joined for the collective effort (which is Mundus), the Daedra decided to seek their own ways and that's basically what they are doing. What do you think?
Idiots don't need a real reason to do idiotic things. With Ulfric, if it wasn't the Voice it would be something else. He is not a strong king but an easy pawn for the Thalmor.
I honestly think turning the Voice to a more peaceful purpose is not a bad thing though. It shows that there's still hope for the Nords, that they can be more thn mindless killers.
You know, the thought occured to me, back when we were talking about Talos and Lorkhan, that the whole idea of the Daedra is that each of them wants to become the new Godhead. While the Aedra (and Lorkhan) joined for the collective effort (which is Mundus), the Daedra decided to seek their own ways and that's basically what they are doing. What do you think?