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Miraak's Chant

  • Member
    April 17, 2016

    We don´t know if violence is the only way to reach Heaven, or Aetherius. 

  • Tom
    Member
    April 17, 2016

    The Oghma Infinium was created by knowledge gifted to Xarxes from Hermaeus Mora. It's supposed to contain all of Xarxes' favorite moments in history. Why would we think it contains only events leading up to Xarxes' time of writing? The Scryer of the Tides of Fate gave him information.

    I think Dagon got his hands on the Oghma Infinium, read it, and wrote about what he read in there. He read what would happen in Oblivion, but he didn't get a complete knowledge.

    The Oghma Infinium did end up sealed in a Dwemer lockbox buried beneath a glacier and requiring an extinct race's blood to retrieve. Someone beside Herma Mora wanted that thing sealed away, and there aren't too many mortals who could've done that.

  • Tom
    Member
    April 17, 2016
    • The Imperial Divines are dumb and arbitrary.
    • Their priesthood is filled with idiots.
    • Aedra aren't in Aetherius. They're dead. They are the earthbones.

    Six are the formulas to heaven by violence, one that you have learned by studying these words. - Sermon 6

  • Member
    April 17, 2016

    Then where do non Nords go for their afterlife? Non Daedra worshippers. Aetherius is the only real place their souls could go

  • Tom
    Member
    April 17, 2016

    Sovngarde isn't in Aetherius either. Daedra like to claim souls. Red Guards have the Far Shores, wherever that is. Some souls pass through the Dreamsleeve and get sued again. I'd wager these "afterlives" are really the Aedric planets. Just as Sovngarde is within Masser. Which are all within Mundus.

  • Member
    April 17, 2016

    I thought Soverngarde was outside of Masser, since its basically one giant hunk of dead diety rock now. Like, its own little dimension

  • April 17, 2016

    I doubt HM wanted it sealed. It would be no fun this way.

    Who are those mortals? I thought it was the Dwemer who sealed it.

  • April 17, 2016

    Hermaeus Mora is one of the Testing Gods. He tests the hearts and minds of Men. Like the Four Corners of the House of Troubles. Herma Mora isn't evil. He's wily, crafty, and sneaky. He makes sure the Nords remember who they are and don't slip into elf-logic.

    You want to say that HM and Lorkhan just played that little scene for Ysgramor?

    If that's what he does to Nords, refreshes their memory (a right thing to do, since their memory is so short), what does he do to other races?

    Damn it. Peace is a lie, even the Sith know this. Six are the walking ways to reaching heaven by violence.

    Sith? The wisest of people, huh? And the most prosperous.

    Show me one mindless killer who reached any sort of enlightenment. I'm definitely not going to take words of a guy who used his divine powers to improve his reputation as certain truth.

    The Daedra don't want to be the new Godhead, certainly not all of them.

    I agree. Only some of them.

    Lorkhan is an Aedra by definition.

    Yes, but he kinda stands alone.

    The Daedra want to do their own thing.

    What kind of thing?

  • Tom
    Member
    April 18, 2016

    The Deadric realms are literally the Deadric Princes' bodies, or so goes one understanding of it. Since there is little difference between Aedra and Daedra beside location, I don't see why the celestial planets aren't also these Aedra's own realms.

    They simply aren't in Aetherius. I think this makes more sense for the Aldmeri myth that Auri'El ascended to the heavens in front of his people. He's literally the planet Akatosh, not chilling in Aetherius.

  • April 18, 2016

    It just occured to me how it could work with both being true. Indeed the planets are the Aedra's bodies. But what of their souls? What if a soul actually can ascend and that is what Auri-El did?