Agree, or not?

Yes.

I agree that this mantra does remind me of the Psijic Endeavor, CHIM, Zero-Sum, and Amaranth. I might agree that Miraak is aware of these concepts and aims to achieve Amaranth or Zero-Sum...

But we all really know who's behind it all. Yes? He's driven the plot for at least the last two games.

The Gardener of Man. It's his freaking title. The Daedric Lord who is the discarded ideas and blueprints from the creation of Mundus, who really does have influence over Fate and Time. The Prince who's name means Forbidden Knowledge in Ehlnofex posses knowledge of these concepts things.

Of course, Miraak isn't the one to achieve this. Whether he found out because Herma-Mora allowed it or not, he wasn't meant to reach it. It could very well have been a trap (as I suspect) to draw the LDB's attention to Miraak so Hermaeus Mora could collect the LDB for purposes we know nothing about.

It would be no wonder if HM wants to achieve Amaranth.

Totally with you buddy. I was attempting to break the theory down with Thuri but the only missing piece is the Mysterium Xarxes. Why did Dagon name his book that? 

My own summons came through a book Lord Dagon wrote himself in the deserts of rust and wounds. Its name is the 'Mysterium Xarxes', Aldmeretada aggregate, forefather to the wife of all enigma. Each word is razor-fed and secret, thinner than cataclysms, tarnished like red-drink. (Mythic Dawn Commentaries vol.1)

Aye, but why? Simply for the above fact? Because would be just random, doesn't prove Mora involvement.

Well, since it's Dagon's book, Mora might as well not be involved, or at least Dagon isn't aware of his involvement.

That ruins the theory, see? So not satisfying. There needs to be a link. Like, Xarxes was given knowledge and wrote Oghma Infinium from Mora. What next? 

I suspect that the exchange of information was mutual. Not only Xarxes got knowledge from Mora but also the other way around. Mora is a bit obsessed with Aui-El and Xarxes was his scribe, what does this entail?

Thus Dagon might get the knowledge from Mora, which Mora got from Xarxes or/and involved Xarxes and Auri-El (well, it is Akatosh who opposes him in the end after all...).

It could very well have been a trap (as I suspect) to draw the LDB's attention to Miraak so Hermaeus Mora could collect the LDB for purposes we know nothing about.

To Thorien and Phil's discussion, I have many comments so I'm going to consolidate to make things easier.

The schemes of a Daedric Prince are unknowable but Mora is obsessed with Dragonborn. As such he is obsessed with Time. Being the master of the tides of fate, time is very much his domain and some of the books in his library are from the future. In many ways he is the Daedric shadow of Aka, a piece of him which first fragmented and sought knowledge. So having a Dragonborn, engorged and full of time, could be something very important to him. If Aka is trying to collect all his shattered pieces and become whole, maybe Mora is doing the same thing? - Phil

I'm not a big fan of HM being an aspect of Aka. HM comes by his control over Fate because he is the Demon of Knowledge, Memory, and Secrets. He simply knows what the future will be, so he has that power to see the tides of fate. I adore the idea of HM having in some part of his being an Elder Scroll, along with scrapped ideas for Mundus. It fits so much better with his Lovecraftian Eldritch Horror theme to be simply so primordial, so unknowable, that he simply outside time. Knowledge is Power.

I could see HM trying to usurp Aka by stealing his Dragonborn, or maybe HM knows a Dragonborn will never come again and there is still need of one somewhere in the future. I can't say his reasons. I'm just throwing out my thoughts.

I have a slight feeling that HM has a sort of obsession with Auri-El. The episode when he tried to turn Ysgramor into an elf (lol)), his Dragonborn fetish, something tells me that he had a tentacle in the whole Falmer story too. - Thorien

Good thoughts on Ysgramor. Like that  Mora is an enemy God of the Nords. He was always trying to make them into elves. - Phil

Hermaeus Mora is one of the Testing Gods. He tests the hearts and minds of Men. Like the Four Corners of the House of Troubles. Herma Mora isn't evil. He's wily, crafty, and sneaky. He makes sure the Nords remember who they are and don't slip into elf-logic.

As to ending the towers the theory seems to support that, yes. Why is unknown. Maybe it ties to Miraak's chant and the unmaking of the world - which would put Mora opposed to Auriel like the Adversary of Skaal myth.

Personally I think that misses something though. It's more like the greedy man hoarding souls to himself. Maybe he wants to be the new Godhead? Need more data. - Phil

If HM is the discarded blueprints of Mundus, he could very well think it should be dissolved. I'm not biting that apple for now though.

I honestly think turning the Voice to a more peaceful purpose is not a bad thing though. It shows that there's still hope for the Nords, that they can be more thn mindless killers. - Thorien

Damn it. Peace is a lie, even the Sith know this. Six are the walking ways to reaching heaven by violence.

You know, the thought occured to me, back when we were talking about Talos and Lorkhan, that the whole idea of the Daedra is that each of them wants to become the new Godhead. While the Aedra (and Lorkhan) joined for the collective effort (which is Mundus), the Daedra decided to seek their own ways and that's basically what they are doing. What do you think? - Thorien

• The Daedra don't want to be the new Godhead, certainly not all of them.
• Lorkhan is an Aedra by definition.
• The Daedra want to do their own thing.