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Knights of the Elder Scrolls

  • Member
    December 20, 2015

    That's a fairly modern thing though. Before TES V Dawnguard dlc I don't think there is a reference to paladins anywhere, maybe one or two but that's it.

    Vythur's opinion is compelling it's true, but all that comes from his claim that he "had the ears of a god!" As an audience there is no way to prove or disprove his statement beyond circumstantial evidence. It's clear he believed it but do we actually believe him?

  • Member
    December 20, 2015

    The Fighters Guild was originally an elitist (or more accurately exclusive) organisation that was Akaviri only, which eventually opened up to become what it is in the games. They're basically mercenaries that are around to complete jobs that it would be to much of a hassle to send the imperial guards out to do.

    I'm not really sure if that fits the whole "people for the people" thing.

  • December 20, 2015

    Blades definitely fit the Knights idea, though all that spying and other things is very grey to me. Just think about it. Morrowind and games before had Blades mainly as spies. Oblivion had them as bodyguards (thoug Baurus proved they are good spies too) and monastic order. And in Skyrim they made dragon-hunters from them. So they fit the knights, thought they are somewhat mix of pretty much everything.

    Fighters Guild. Mercenaries. Simple as that. They solve problems for gold, but as Goldie says they actually have their purpose in the society. People can turn on them (and pay) instead of bothering Imperial Watch or any other peacekeeper or militaristic organization serving local goverment.

  • December 20, 2015

    I believe him because of the sheer lengths he goes through to really screw over Auri-El when what happens to him happens. Why would a non-interfering god really care? I get that maybe I'm reading more of a sincere feeling of betrayal by Vyrthur than is probably actually in the Lore or in dialogue. I almost think it's a test, a test that Vyrthur fails miserably. You can easily cure vampirism, why not try? Auri-El: you really want to be my voice? How's your faith? Vyrthur fails, but the player succeeds. Thing that shatters this is that any horse-stealing thief assassin a'hole can get his favor. It's nothing against these types of players, but man a vampire getting this weapon, seriously? And actually fulfilling this prophesy? It sort of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and I wonder about what Bethesda is trying to say about religion with that.  Really is a slap in the face to the Snow Elves who made that difficult pilgrimage, even Serana makes light of it and Gelebor's response is that you wouldn't understand and you can definitely read that he's disappointed by the tone in his voice. Not sure if Bethesda thought that through very well, or they did think it through and chose that path. Honestly, thinking about this makes Dragonborn tie in all the better. Xarxes, I always think on Xarxes, he served both Auri-El and Hermaeus Mora. You work for both in the dlc. 

    That you get the bow in the end and possibly the shield. These are the weapons, that, at least from my understanding of the lore, are the weapons that were used in Auri-El's fight against Lorkhan. The bow is probably the weapon that shot Lorkhan's heart across the sea. I don't want to even get involved with the symbolism attached to giving the player that weapon. It is a definite a mindf**k.

    Forgive my musings.  Not sure how far off the mark I am, or off topic. Probably plenty. 

  • December 20, 2015

    As Phil says, it´s quite new thing and because this is Classics, we´re trying to stick to the Lore of previous games.

    But we can´t really dismiss it, can´t we? Because it implies that these Knight-Paladins were around for some time. 

    Yet it seem like if their were only in Snow Elves culture. We can probably assume in Altmer culture too. So what can this tell us? 

    That the word Paladin might be assocciated only with the Chantry of Auri-El. In most universes Paladin is often assocciated with holy light of some kind, so that would fit TES too, with Auri-El being the "Father Light" pretty much. So it might be only a title.

    Just like Errandil from Oblivion. His title is "Living Saint of Arkay"  Compare that to "Knight-Paladin of Auri-El". 

    See the similar pattern?

  • December 20, 2015

    I definitely do see the pattern. I know, this is the dilemma I face when I'm talking about this because we're dealing with the newest game, however, the characters involved pre-date ANY of the Elder scrolls series. I mean, this is Dawn and Merethic Era stuff, so lol, where do I go? HAHA, lore section. 

  • December 20, 2015

    Don´t feel bad about it Lissette. Classics is kinda grey area and everytime me, Phil and Goldie appear in one discussion, we cross the borders of Lore and other Groups.

    Amirite, fellas? 

  • Member
    December 20, 2015

    I don't think there's ever been a time when we haven't done that 

    I rather enjoy it actually.

  • December 20, 2015

    Yeah, I don´t mind it either. It´s always fun to discuss these things with you guys. 

    Plus it brings activity to Classics. Win Win 

  • Member
    December 20, 2015

    Here is what I think. Knights are part either organisation made up nobles (or people reward with a knighthood) or a high status warriors (agean can used as a reward) but both are dedicated to a cause or a ruler. Crusaders like knights and follow a cause but frantically (and it is othen to do with religion) and come from a large variety of backgrounds and after achieving their cause go back to normal life. Paladins in general are somewhere between the two and are usually part of an organisation and dedicated to a certain god and are very strict in obeying and enforcing the rules of there god or order no mater what. The morality of all three is not strictly good knights can be evil and oppress people or plot agents there king, crusaders uslay kill thousands trying to achieve their cause and care little for catlateral damage and paladins can be dedicated to a good or evil god or do evil in the name of good. However its should be noted morality of matter of perspective and they might not see there acts as evil or wrong when we do but as necessary or justified.

    Sorry for the essay.