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• Paws

  

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  December 20, 2015

  I loved Mazoga's quest. Remember that Argonian, Weebum-na or whatever? My favourite 'Gonian ever!  "Did I forget how much I like you that I should do this thing for you?"

  The paladin topic is interesting. I think Skyrim is the first game in the series that mentions that word as it is uniquley absent in the lore. I've wondered why that is and it could be because of how a paladin is normally portrayed and how it doesn't quite mesh with TES setting.

  I loved Mazoga's quest. Remember that Argonian, Weebum-na or whatever? My favourite 'Gonian ever!  "Did I forget how much I like you that I should do this thing for you?"

  The paladin topic is interesting. I think Skyrim is the first game in the series that mentions that word as it is uniquley absent in the lore. I've wondered why that is and it could be because of how a paladin is normally portrayed and how it doesn't quite mesh with TES setting.

• Paws

  

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  December 20, 2015

  The cheating cads!  

  The concept of a Dunmer knight has always sung to me. I remember meeting an NPC in Morrowind who wore bone armour (and presumably rode a guar) who was a knight. Because they have such a strict social hierarchy combined with a unique religion and moral code, a dark elf knight could be a very interesting character indeed.

  The cheating cads!  

  The concept of a Dunmer knight has always sung to me. I remember meeting an NPC in Morrowind who wore bone armour (and presumably rode a guar) who was a knight. Because they have such a strict social hierarchy combined with a unique religion and moral code, a dark elf knight could be a very interesting character indeed.

• Karver the Lorc

  

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  December 20, 2015

  Well, you can consider Redoran a Knights. With all that valor, honor, family and other things you could easily mistake them for Knights. But we´re getting into murky waters here, because it raises a question: What is the difference between Warrior and Knight?

  Well, you can consider Redoran a Knights. With all that valor, honor, family and other things you could easily mistake them for Knights. But we´re getting into murky waters here, because it raises a question: What is the difference between Warrior and Knight?

• Karver the Lorc

  

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  December 20, 2015

  Weebam-Na? That Argonian...hunter? Yeah, I remember now.

  And isn´t that little weird that there is no mention about these paladins in Lore? Just think about. There surely have been Orders whose members were both priests and warriors, yet only with Skyrim we find out that Snow Elves (and Altmer) and their Auri-El Order had Knight-Paladins. It is just weird.

  Weebam-Na? That Argonian...hunter? Yeah, I remember now.

  And isn´t that little weird that there is no mention about these paladins in Lore? Just think about. There surely have been Orders whose members were both priests and warriors, yet only with Skyrim we find out that Snow Elves (and Altmer) and their Auri-El Order had Knight-Paladins. It is just weird.

• Karver the Lorc

  

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  December 20, 2015

  Just pour few mugs of coffee into your throat and you should be fine, Lissette. 

  Just pour few mugs of coffee into your throat and you should be fine, Lissette. 

• Golden Fool

  

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  December 20, 2015

  I'd say it's comes down to their title. Cause when you think about it a knight is just a warrior with a fancy title and depending on what they are a knight of they may hold some land or power.

  I'd say it's comes down to their title. Cause when you think about it a knight is just a warrior with a fancy title and depending on what they are a knight of they may hold some land or power.

• Paws

  

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  December 20, 2015

  The only conclusion I could arrive at on my own is that paladin's in fantasy are normally the "hand of god" so to speak. Their power comes directly from a deity and should he fall too far from that deity's alignment he will lose that divine favour. It just doesn't work in TES where there is never any solid proof of divine intervention.

  The paladin as a class then needs to be reinterpreted just for the game but there would be little distinction between a crusader and a paladin, or a knight and a paladin. Nowadays the word is heavily loaded and pretty much means one thing in the eyes of gamers.

  The only conclusion I could arrive at on my own is that paladin's in fantasy are normally the "hand of god" so to speak. Their power comes directly from a deity and should he fall too far from that deity's alignment he will lose that divine favour. It just doesn't work in TES where there is never any solid proof of divine intervention.

  The paladin as a class then needs to be reinterpreted just for the game but there would be little distinction between a crusader and a paladin, or a knight and a paladin. Nowadays the word is heavily loaded and pretty much means one thing in the eyes of gamers.

• Paws

  

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  December 20, 2015

  Love the Reds and their choice of architecture  

  Difference between warrior and Knight? Not much beyond a noble title and all the responsibilities and freedoms that entails I guess.

  Edit: yeah, what Goldie said basically

  Love the Reds and their choice of architecture  

  Difference between warrior and Knight? Not much beyond a noble title and all the responsibilities and freedoms that entails I guess.

  Edit: yeah, what Goldie said basically

• Paws

  

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  December 20, 2015

  I'm sure The Blades are knights. They are an order with a rank structure (including the lowest rank of Knight Brother) so they follow in the romantic later medieval version of knighthood rather than the grim reality of early knights.

  The Fighter's Guild is not an order. Ideologically speaking I've always got the sense they were more about "people for the people" rather than an elitist institution. It's never been spelled out that way iirc, but that's been my interpretation of their lore for a while. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though.

  I'm sure The Blades are knights. They are an order with a rank structure (including the lowest rank of Knight Brother) so they follow in the romantic later medieval version of knighthood rather than the grim reality of early knights.

  The Fighter's Guild is not an order. Ideologically speaking I've always got the sense they were more about "people for the people" rather than an elitist institution. It's never been spelled out that way iirc, but that's been my interpretation of their lore for a while. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though.

• The Long-Chapper

  

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  December 20, 2015

  They do mention that the Arch-Curate could directly speak to Auri-El. 

  The only conclusion I could arrive at on my own is that paladin's in fantasy are normally the "hand of god" so to speak. Their power comes directly from a deity and should he fall too far from that deity's alignment he will lose that divine favour. 

  From the Lore article on Snow Elves. Here's your divine intervention. 

  Arch-Curate, a Snow Elf who communicated directly with Auri-El.^[3] The only known Arch-Curate was Vyrthur, brother of Gelebor, who was infected with vampirism by an initiate around the time of the Snow Elves' downfall and spent millennia plotting revenge against Auri-El for allowing this to happen.

  Puts a brand new spin on things, as I consider speaking with a God pretty significant. I just expand this concept to Summerset with some slight differences. Why not? Summerset tends to keep things pretty secret from other areas and after the Oblivion crisis, who knows what happened, or what information can travel in or out. And now with the Thalmor? They do practice censure. Lol, the Order of Auri-El per se does not exist. I made that up. But it's based on Snow Elf Lore and borrows their structure to some extent. I even have a Chantry in Alinor, though it's not quite infested with Falmer. 

  But this is up to interpretation, of course. I ran around with it and had fun. LOL

  They do mention that the Arch-Curate could directly speak to Auri-El. 

  The only conclusion I could arrive at on my own is that paladin's in fantasy are normally the "hand of god" so to speak. Their power comes directly from a deity and should he fall too far from that deity's alignment he will lose that divine favour. 

  From the Lore article on Snow Elves. Here's your divine intervention. 

  Arch-Curate, a Snow Elf who communicated directly with Auri-El.^[3] The only known Arch-Curate was Vyrthur, brother of Gelebor, who was infected with vampirism by an initiate around the time of the Snow Elves' downfall and spent millennia plotting revenge against Auri-El for allowing this to happen.

  Puts a brand new spin on things, as I consider speaking with a God pretty significant. I just expand this concept to Summerset with some slight differences. Why not? Summerset tends to keep things pretty secret from other areas and after the Oblivion crisis, who knows what happened, or what information can travel in or out. And now with the Thalmor? They do practice censure. Lol, the Order of Auri-El per se does not exist. I made that up. But it's based on Snow Elf Lore and borrows their structure to some extent. I even have a Chantry in Alinor, though it's not quite infested with Falmer. 

  But this is up to interpretation, of course. I ran around with it and had fun. LOL