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Evil Woman

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    August 21, 2012 9:46 PM EDT

    My heroine! :) You boys better run if she is getting spinach. I heard the last sailor was short an arm after wrestling with this goddess.

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    August 21, 2012 9:47 PM EDT

    Yeah, there are more coming but it is the last one written as of yet. The stories are so intricately told. They are a wonder to read.

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    August 21, 2012 9:48 PM EDT

    Barbie is not evil, Dieter. I love Barbie. She was a great friend to me in times when few were.

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    August 21, 2012 9:50 PM EDT

    You will be on the 5th before you know it, Dread. I am. Some of the twists hurt my heart but such are the ways of man.

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    August 21, 2012 9:52 PM EDT

    No contest there Evil. Buffy always beats Faith.

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    August 22, 2012 3:08 AM EDT
    Still she's an anatomically incorrect rolemodel for little girls, that tells them they have to dress pink, and do nothing all day long, maybe buy a pink car, and have to be a submissive housewife.
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    August 22, 2012 4:01 AM EDT

    To be honest, I can't imagine Shannon with just a few friends.

  • August 22, 2012 4:08 AM EDT

    Yeah Shannon, what are we? Do you not like us? :'(

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    August 22, 2012 4:13 AM EDT

    Barbie submissive to sissy Ken?  Not in his wildest dream!

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    August 22, 2012 4:19 AM EDT
    Well now, have you ever seen a bussiness lady Barbie? I don't think so. The point is thay Barbie is too outdated for these times, maybe if they would renew the concept a bit it would be more succesfull over here.
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    August 22, 2012 4:43 AM EDT

    You're not well up in this matter Diet.

      

     

     

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    August 22, 2012 5:06 AM EDT

    I introduce you the homicidal "Calleigh Duquesne" Barbie .

    CSI during daylife, but at night......

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    August 22, 2012 5:14 AM EDT

    I have a girl crush on Lena Headey because of Game of thrones, now I try and watch any film with her in it.  I loved  Crystal from Show girls, I didn't think much of the film but loved the bitchiness from that one character. 

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    August 22, 2012 5:30 AM EDT

    I've a love, hate relation with these books. I can keep on reading these books, especially parts with Daenerys or Arya for instance, but everytime you run into another rape scene, child defloration or other insult toward females.

    (The notification from Tywin that his daughter Cersei has to be married off again, drove me up against the wall! Who the f*ck he thinks he is? She's the King-mother regent and he's just The Hand. Let Ice bites his neck for god sake!)

    Those moment I have to put the book aside and don't read it for days sometimes. The overall storyline kept me hanging on though, I'm in the 2nd volume of the third book now.

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    August 22, 2012 5:46 AM EDT
    The first one looks like a secretary barbie which is a stereotype, and the second one, well, you're right about that. Although that one also looks a bit like an airline hostes.
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    August 22, 2012 6:45 AM EDT

    When barbie was made the submissive thing is simply how our culture was, Barbie wasn't promoting it, she was just following the cultural norm.

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    August 22, 2012 6:47 AM EDT

    ^this. 

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    August 22, 2012 6:47 AM EDT

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    August 22, 2012 8:09 AM EDT

    can't believe I forgot about Lucretia from Spartacus !!!!!!

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    August 22, 2012 8:29 AM EDT
    Indeed, they did it all wrong, they should have promoted it, than maybe we wouldn't have had this rediculous woman emanicipation now, but a proper emanicipation with true equal rights. Because now woman tend to get threated better than men on some things and worse than men on other things.
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    August 22, 2012 9:34 AM EDT

    Thesis :

    The meaning of Barbie for the emancipation of women is underestimated.

     

    Barbie is now more than 50 years old. This is about as old as the women movement itself. She has done a good many prework for it though.  

    She had been there since 1959 in America, from 1964 in Europe. For the first time a doll not  looking like a baby or toddler, but looking like a grown up woman. Imagine what a gigantic shift this must have triggered inside a little girls soul,  not having a doll you had to mother, care and bring up, but one in whom you have the ability to project a wide range of possible adult rolls, just by the way how you dress her up and act with her.  Her wardrobe offered a wide and emancipated choice to do so.

    Plausible or nonsense?

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    August 22, 2012 9:56 AM EDT

    Nonsense, everything in her wardrobe was pink, just like all her accesoirces. She had completely out of proportion shapes, which many little girls wanted, and even some woman have thanks to plastical surgery which is the only way to look like that. To little girls she's still the same as doll shaped as a baby because little children walk with barbie dolls in a baby carriage as well. In my eyes, it hasn't changed anything.

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    August 22, 2012 10:06 AM EDT

    Another thesis from an article written in the dutch NRC newspaper some time ago

    It’s striking how a serious, adult aspiration Mattel gave to their blonde figurine. Creator Ruth Handler was clear about it though: "Barbie always represented the choices a woman has. She was more than Ken's girlfriend or an inveterate shopper. I think this was what made the doll succesful, not only to daughters - who later became the first major wave of working women - but also to their mothers."

    The doll, seen by right-thinking women worldwide as stupid and superficial, appear to have been designed as a vehicle for emancipation. Barbie's clothes, her hair, her houses and means of transport: she paid it all herself. Even her expression was blank, intended by Handler as a blank canvas on which every budding woman could project on her dream personality.

    And now? Those girls indeed go to work, just like Barbie - although unfortunately not with a  guarantee for self-development or a wardrobe full of beautiful clothes. A number of them remained unmarried and free to continue dating, just like Barbie - until they looked back and found that Ken was long gone and now walking behind a baby-wagon peacefully.

    Dieter votes nonsense.

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    August 22, 2012 10:18 AM EDT

    Lol, she all paid it herself, I've never seen that. And the choices a Barbie doll represents are what clothes to wear, not really more than that. Her face is indeed blanc, just as with any other kind of doll since if they would give them a certain expression they would just look weird in many situations.


    And that's why I vote nonsense.

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    August 22, 2012 11:36 PM EDT

    A dance with dragons is not supposed to be the final book in the series, only the last one, unless Martin dies soon, which I'm afraid is very likely to hapen to a fat sedentary guy who's about 60. I never ever hated Faith - in fact she was one of my favorite Buffy characters - I kind of had a little identification with the mayor of Sunnydale - that guy was of my own heart. My fovorite witchy women are 1- Endora, Samantha's mother on Bewitched, a series of the 60's 2- Elaine Bennes, of the series Seinfeld 3- Neil Gaiman's Sandman's Death character.