PawsI don't see the word torture anywhere there Asks Now hear me out, I'm not being difficult. Look at my avatar and you'll get an idea about the things important to me in Skyrim.
I respect Jarl Ulfric, as a fighter, as a leader with a vision and as having t... moreI don't see the word torture anywhere there Asks Now hear me out, I'm not being difficult. Look at my avatar and you'll get an idea about the things important to me in Skyrim.
I respect Jarl Ulfric, as a fighter, as a leader with a vision and as having the extraordinary self discipline to study at the feet of the Greybeards. He went off to fight in The Great War and his last words if you complete the Imperial Civil War questline imply that this is a man who fears neither pain or death.
What if the Thalmor find another way of "breaking" him? One more insidious? The fact that they allowed him to believe his information was crucial to their initial victory suggests to me that they are very good at mind games. It also says in that book that contact was established after his "escape" proving his worth as an asset.
I propose that they manipulated him and used his guilt as a hook. Note, I'm not saying they outwitted him, just used his own character - maybe his pride or his caring - against him somehow. less
July 21, 2014
Asks-Many-Questions"Interrogation" is right there in the second sentence. They're Thalmor; do I need to draw you a diagram?
Re-reading it does make me notice some points I'd missed before. They do make mention of making contact with him after the war; I'd always assumed the... more"Interrogation" is right there in the second sentence. They're Thalmor; do I need to draw you a diagram?
Re-reading it does make me notice some points I'd missed before. They do make mention of making contact with him after the war; I'd always assumed they had used his war-time experiences (particularly the false belief that he'd contributed to the sack of the Imperial City) to manipulate him into aggression against the Empire (and, ultimately, rebellion), but I'd assumed it was done second-hand. But, if they had made contact with him, they must have been talking to him directly- probably using his "guilt" over the Imperial City to blackmail him.
Unfortunately, we still don't know exactly what all that entailed. It's likely similar to my original reading- they found ways to push him into doing things to stir up trouble for the Empire. The only specific example they give is the Markarth Incident, which is the genesis of the Stormcloak movement as we know it. It is mentioned that following the incident he became ... less
July 21, 2014
Paws"Interrogation" is right there in the second sentence. They're Thalmor; do I need to draw you a diagram?
Supposition. At least have the decency to point out that it is your interpretation, as I did. I challenge that torture is not the most effective mean... more"Interrogation" is right there in the second sentence. They're Thalmor; do I need to draw you a diagram?
Supposition. At least have the decency to point out that it is your interpretation, as I did. I challenge that torture is not the most effective means of interrogation, that the Thalmor are intelligent enough to come up with something better and that Ulfric's dialogue during Season Unending in which he is face to face with his "torturer" holds not a single hint that he was ever tortured.
They do make mention of making contact with him after the war; I'd always assumed they had used his war-time experiences (particularly the false belief that he'd contributed to the sack of the Imperial City) to manipulate him into aggression against the Empire (and, ultimately, rebellion), but I'd assumed it was done second-hand. But, if they had made contact with him, they must have been talking to him directly- probably using his "guilt" over the Imperial City to blackmail him.
Excellent point. Exactly the same one I mad... less
July 21, 2014
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Asks-many-questions, you are legend, right there! All hail to ulfric, you are the high king, grab your sword and we will KICK THALMOR ASS!!!!!
I respect Jarl Ulfric, as a fighter, as a leader with a vision and as having t... more
Re-reading it does make me notice some points I'd missed before. They do make mention of making contact with him after the war; I'd always assumed the... more
Supposition. At least have the decency to point out that it is your interpretation, as I did. I challenge that torture is not the most effective mean... more