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The Ancient Nordic Pantheon

• Paws

  

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  February 25, 2016

  I have been thinking on this while at work and I have come up with a thought to tack onto Veloth's idea. Bruma first appears in the written record in 1E 1167, a full 467 years after the Battle or Red Mountain and Jurgen's essence swallowing (lol, made myself laugh). But the city could be older than the records.

  If we take that and add it to Veloth's theory, it could be that Bruma was established as a result of Empress Hestra's imperial expansions. With the Legions subjugating the Reachmen and welcoming High Rock into the empire this could be when the Colovian estates joined the Empire officially.

  Maybe Bruma was established by the anti-Imperial Cyro-Nords of Colovia? Although Bruma is not in Colovia and is understood to be a Nibenese county, but in truth it is more Nord than Nibenese.

  While the Colovians were off having fun with the Alessian Order, which although defeated at the Battle of Glenumbra Moors was still powerful in the Colovian West, maybe at this time there was a anti-Alessian Order sentiment in it's own territory leading to the establishment of Bruma as a Nordic city following the old ways.

  Perhaps when looked at like that there is room for both Veloth's theory and the Jurgen one?

  I have been thinking on this while at work and I have come up with a thought to tack onto Veloth's idea. Bruma first appears in the written record in 1E 1167, a full 467 years after the Battle or Red Mountain and Jurgen's essence swallowing (lol, made myself laugh). But the city could be older than the records.

  If we take that and add it to Veloth's theory, it could be that Bruma was established as a result of Empress Hestra's imperial expansions. With the Legions subjugating the Reachmen and welcoming High Rock into the empire this could be when the Colovian estates joined the Empire officially.

  Maybe Bruma was established by the anti-Imperial Cyro-Nords of Colovia? Although Bruma is not in Colovia and is understood to be a Nibenese county, but in truth it is more Nord than Nibenese.

  While the Colovians were off having fun with the Alessian Order, which although defeated at the Battle of Glenumbra Moors was still powerful in the Colovian West, maybe at this time there was a anti-Alessian Order sentiment in it's own territory leading to the establishment of Bruma as a Nordic city following the old ways.

  Perhaps when looked at like that there is room for both Veloth's theory and the Jurgen one?

• The Wing

  

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  February 25, 2016

  It's nice to feel so welcome. Thanks guys. 

  It's nice to feel so welcome. Thanks guys. 

• Justiciar Thorien

  

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  February 25, 2016

  To be honest, as I reread all the versions, I begin to suspect that their change in faith happened after the Oblivion Crisis. In all except Talos - they could worship him since the very time he lived - he is Ysmir and all, huh?

  To be honest, as I reread all the versions, I begin to suspect that their change in faith happened after the Oblivion Crisis. In all except Talos - they could worship him since the very time he lived - he is Ysmir and all, huh?

• Paws

  

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  February 25, 2016

  But what of Reman, Thorien? Bruma is so close to Sancre Tor.

  But what of Reman, Thorien? Bruma is so close to Sancre Tor.

• Justiciar Thorien

  

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  February 25, 2016

  I don't know what occured with Reman - probably the fact that he wasn't a Nord matters. He was an outsider to the Nords, not one of their kin.

  I don't know what occured with Reman - probably the fact that he wasn't a Nord matters. He was an outsider to the Nords, not one of their kin.

• Paws

  

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  February 25, 2016

  Would that matter? He was Dragonborn. Look at the whole Hjalti Breton/Atmoran thing.

  Would that matter? He was Dragonborn. Look at the whole Hjalti Breton/Atmoran thing.

• Justiciar Thorien

  

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  February 25, 2016

  Even if Hjalti was born in High Rock, he already had spent quite some time among the Nords before it was known that he is a Dragonborn. He was one of them, Reman definitely wasn't.

  How do you think they would treat a Dragonborn who is alien to them, or even an enemy? A Thalmor for instance? Since it's kinda not totally impossible. Do you think they would instantly go and pledge themselves to him?

  Even if Hjalti was born in High Rock, he already had spent quite some time among the Nords before it was known that he is a Dragonborn. He was one of them, Reman definitely wasn't.

  How do you think they would treat a Dragonborn who is alien to them, or even an enemy? A Thalmor for instance? Since it's kinda not totally impossible. Do you think they would instantly go and pledge themselves to him?

• Paws

  

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  February 25, 2016

  I think that to the Nords truth matters less than a good story. The Akaviri cut a path right through Skyrim and it took Reman to stop them at Pale Pass. Whether he shouted or not is unknown but he was Dragonborn and that is significant to the Nords.

  As for his race, who can really say? The empire was in chaos before Reman and likely Skyrim too. Reman shares certain themes with other hero-saviour, such as a certain Khajiit, Dunmer, Altmer Dragonborn.

  I think that to the Nords truth matters less than a good story. The Akaviri cut a path right through Skyrim and it took Reman to stop them at Pale Pass. Whether he shouted or not is unknown but he was Dragonborn and that is significant to the Nords.

  As for his race, who can really say? The empire was in chaos before Reman and likely Skyrim too. Reman shares certain themes with other hero-saviour, such as a certain Khajiit, Dunmer, Altmer Dragonborn.

• Justiciar Thorien

  

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  February 25, 2016

  So why they never worshipped Reman like a god?

  So why they never worshipped Reman like a god?

• Chris

  

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  February 25, 2016

  The Imperials used to worship Reman as a god

  The Imperials used to worship Reman as a god