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Group Idea: General Gaming Story Corner

  • April 22, 2016

    Consider this the first of multiple discussions from me here, I've had time to think about stuff lately, and there are a few things that I've thought of that could be interesting to see what other's opinion is. This is a bit of a part pitch/part idea and part questionnaire, so I'll discuss things that only really effect the group if it's made, something which is obviously not set in stone (or even something that I've discussed with anyone else). Plus as we all know, I love rambling so I'll be talking too much , you can just look for the bolded text to find the questions that sum up what I write

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    The GGSC (The name is obviously a WiP) is the first of those ideas, and the one that could contribute the most to the site directly. At the moment we only have a place for Elder Scrolls and Fallout fanfiction, but it could be beneficial to open up a General Gaming version. I've seen people discuss writing more times than I can count, it's something I think the majority of the site is at least partially involved in, whether it's through Builds, RP Profiles, Lore Articles or actual Stories/Poems, and at the moment we have creative outlets for all types mentioned for all games, except for Stories.

    Now we aren't the only place for Fanfiction (I know, I was shocked too). So it isn't like there's nowhere else to post our stories, but I think that the writers and readers of stories here have become attached to the site and posting stories, personally I've always seen it as a lot more personal than say, Fanfiction.net or any other Fanfic dedicated site, and to me that's a huge plus in terms of getting people to write. 

    Would we have the interest? I would suspect we would, I can only imagine what some of the creativity that's involved in Tamriel Tales could do when paired with Dragon Age, The Witcher, Star Wars, or any other game really. But I am curious about whether that interest would be there, so that'll be my first question.

    Would you write a GGSC Story? 

    What Games would you write for?

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    As for the practical effects of the group, that's where I find myself more than a little stuck on suggestions. I can suggest as much as I want, and pitch a damn awesome group (I hope), but there would still be two major problems with considering getting it running. In a hypothetical scenario where the group is given the go ahead the two major problems would be posting and hosting.

    Posting the actual chapters would be the first difficult step to solve. The blogs are currently being pushed through the section they have at an incredible rate, and adding new games in would only overcrowd it...Obviously that's something we'd like to avoid in this scenario, so how would we solve it? Well, personally I think it's quite simple, we just give them a group and post discussions instead. Negatives? Well it would offset that the Blogs are purely used for stories, it would require another group. Positives? Increased control over traffic (more chapters can be featured on the page than we currently can with blogs), easier navigation when searching for old stories (outside of the ToC), ability for Host to organise everything within the group easier, ability to use Chapter Previews by having 250 words shown when looking at a discussion (Rather than just the title, poster and time, we could also have the first 250 words of the story to draw people in), less of an impact on the currently situated groups.

    It could either be structured to include ToC's as well, with a bit of tag work that could definitely be done, or we could consider alternate placements for them (Forums and the Gaming Corner are just two suggestions), but personally I think posting them as Pages in a group might work, that would separate them from the stories but still allow someone to sort through all of the content from a central location.

    Hosting the group, well the only problem would be finding an active writer who's interested in Hosting the group, and would responsibly take care of it IMO. So I suppose that's where my next line of questions come in.

    Would you be willing to Host this group if it made?

    In the above Hypothetical Situation, what would you do with the group?

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    Hmm, let's see. General Pitch? Check. Possible Problems? Check. Let's see, right the most important question of all...What would we name it? I'm hopeless at naming things, and have an instinctual need to make them all corners. Gaming Corner, Workshop Success Corner, Workshop Feature Corner...Eh you get the point  So really that would be cool to talk about.

    Alright, in reality I have a few more things to ask that are most directed to the Admins. After that I suppose that's it. Thank you for reading my group proposal, and don't hesitate to mention what you think of the idea (in fact do it twice if you want ). These are just my thoughts, so feel free to comment on what you think might work.

    Could you see this group working?

    Would you be willing to implement it if the interest appears?

  • Member
    April 22, 2016

    Firstly, let me say its fine to have people 'pitching' stuff in here. This is, after all, 'The Town Hall' of the site - so it seems apt

    That said, you should all take into account that Tamriel Tales and Wasteland Tales are being merged back into The Story Corner. As such they will be a place for ALL stories - it doesn't just have to be ES or Fallout.

    The second thing to point out is that I can't see us ('us' being the Admins) agreeing with the idea of stories going into groups as discussions. that just seems... weird... when the stories have gone into blogs for five years now, and to such an extent that they've completely taken over the blogging feature (way back in 2011 people made other kinds of blogs, but that fell by the wayside as stories came to predominate). So I think you might as well forget about that idea

    Aside from those riders, I think this is worthy idea and I'm interested to see how many people - if any - might be interested in writing stories for other RPGs

  • Member
    April 22, 2016
    "General Gaming Storys Cornered" :).
  • Leader
    April 22, 2016

    I think we should check with the Story Corner folks first. Their impression of which games they cover might be different (only Fallout and Elder Scrolls).

    In my own view, I don't believe a whole group could be supported. The very reason we merged Wasteland Tales and Tamriel Tales was that Wasteland Tales didn't have enough activity to stand alone and much of the discussions being had in TT were relevant to WT folks and there was literally no need to keep WT people out of beneficial TT discussions.

  • Member
    April 22, 2016

    Great Idea Dragonborn.... I mean this will all respect.

    Having stories posted as discussions will not work. Allow me to explain why.

    With discussions as every one knows, when you comment on it then it's 'bumped up'. You could have ten stories posted and within a matter of hours other stories which have been commented on will bury them. This is why I fight so hard to keep the ten blog posts. It's the only way the stories work.

    If someone is to write a story, whether it's short or long or they decide to write a poem then it NEEDS to be a blog.

    The moment you add TOC's to the stories posted as discussions then it will quickly become a free for all as to who comments the most. No one wants that.

    The Story Corner is set up to have TOC's posted, blogs for stories and poems, and we have active hosts. Alright the Argonian is a bit of a werewolf nut but sometimes a host with bite is a good thing.

    I cannot see why the group cannot open it's doors to general gaming right away. The blogs are set up, the rules are in place and we have a solid group of writers AND readers who help others within the group.

    Now, will the blogs get flooded more... I am not expecting a great impact in the blog activity and before anyone says why, let me explain.

    A writer can only write one piece at a time. I started a Fallout story, one which gathered a lot of interest and one I wish to continue but there is no way I can do so while I am writing my Skyrim story. One story at a time.

    We may get more writers which is a good thing and a more varied selection of stories. Personally I would like to see more stories about other games and not just the ones which the Tamriel Vault is supporting at the moment.

    If there is great interest then we get more stories posted. Awwooo to that...

    If however there are only a tiny few posted in The Story Corner then where does it hurt? The group won't be disbanded due to lack of interest, a Host won't feel like a failure and the writers will still feel part of a big friendly community and not stuck in a small section by themselves.

    We have The Story Corner.... It's already in place. Open it's doors to All Game Fan Fiction...

    Sotek Loyal Hound Of Hircine

  • April 22, 2016

    So is that an official thing or not? Because I have an idea, but I'm not going to write it if I can't post.

  • Member
    April 22, 2016

    Well, that's sorted that out

    If only every new idea was as easy to solve as that...

    My suggestion is that we hold off adding this until the merger of TT and WT is complete - then throw open the doors to the new, improved Story Corner - with a front page feature, and maybe some kind of event or competition? 

  • April 22, 2016

    Don't know what else I can offer to the slice of pie Sotek has already proposed. Well, just to point something out. Past polls on interest in other games indicated that very few are willing to make actual content for new games. I don't see how this would be any different for fanfiction, which IMO, requires a great deal of work to make content for.  Stories take a long time to write, I can attest to this as can Sotek. Many stories on Fallout and Skyrim or other ES games never get past 3-4 chapters before they fizzle out. Wasteland Tales is already merging with Tamriel Tales. More than likely, any stories based on other games should go there as well. One pot is best, IMO, for making stew. 

    But the idea has been proposed, so do what you want. Event, whatnot. I'll do what I do best, make art and smile. Sorry, wasn't consulted on this suggestion prior to it being posted and I'm a bit miffed about that, to be frank. No harm really done, I'll get over it.   The Loyal Hound of Hircine isn't gonna get a doggie treat from this crusty, old Knight-Paladin today. 

    I'll shoot down a competition right now, however, Paul. Event, yes, competition no. I put my foot down hard on that one. I get it for character building, but stories are different and it's just a bad, bad, bad idea to have competitions with a bevy of sensitive writers. We foster community in Tamriel Tales, the Story Corner, not competition. Events like NaNo and AMOSS keep that spirit going. 

  • Member
    April 22, 2016

    Fair enough on the competition Lissette, that was just an not-thought-through idea off the top of my idea. Forget about that, and stick to a friendly event 

    I must say, however, I'm not quite sure why you'd be 'miffed' about not being consulted about this? At this stage its simply an idea - and ANY member can - and sometimes do - throw new ideas into the mix. Many (most?) never get past the idea stage!

    But I don't see any harm in site members suggesting new ideas for the site..

  • April 22, 2016
    It's not Dragonborn's idea that got me miffed, Paul. I understand that it is an idea and I like brainstorming ideas. It makes sense that cohosts, however, at least in my understanding of how this works (maybe I'm totally wrong on this. In which case, my apologies to Sotek), it makes sense that cohosts would work together to come up with a response to an idea that effects the section that they are assigned to run, together.