Phil said:
Patriarch said:
Actually, any discrepency could be with my own misunderstandings and misinterpretation.
According to The Withering, Delodiil was located in the Heartland and was a city filled with "learned scholars, of meticulous artisans, and of lissome dancers." This description indicates to me that the Ayleids of this city were living in relative safety and security. There's not a lot of dancing and artistry when you are constantly defending your home. My point is that the book leads me to the assumption (wrongly, perhaps) that this is the time when the Ayleids were in firm control of the Heartlands. However, King Laloriaran Dynar's presence in Coldharbour troubles me. The Groundskeeer of the Hollow City (Meridia in disguise) indicates that Dynar was a defender of the city when it was taken. If that were true, then Dynar was taken to Coldharbour along with the city. But that can't be true because Dynar fought in the Battle of Glenumbra Moors, which takes place in the late Ayleid period - which was marked by Alessian control of the Heartlands. Even the UESP lore page for Laloriaran Dynar notes the discrepency:
In the years 1E 482-484, King Dynar returned to the Heartland and was lured to Nenalata, where he fell into Molag Bal's trap and was imprisoned in Coldharbour, in a replica of the White-Gold Tower. There he remained for over three thousand years.
Other sources state that King Dynar was not captured by Molag Bal in Nenalata, but instead was present in the Hollow City while it was still in Cyrodiil, was pushed into Coldharbour along with it, and captured shortly afterwards.
The discrepency is really about Dynar's chronology. I could, however, be taking Meridia's words too literally. Delodiil/Hollow City could have been a holdout Ayleid city in the late Ayleid period as was Abagarlas and Nenalata. Dynar could have escaped Delodiil's/Hollow City's disppearance but was captured shortly thereafter in Nenalata. Time is rather meaningless in Coldharbour; none of its man/mer inhabitants seem to have much conception of time or how long they have been imprisoned. So any discrepency could be in the interpretation of events, not in the events themselves.
Either way, Schick has spoken. Hollow City = Delodiil. Makes me want hang around the city. The more I study Meridia, the more I like her story. She's beautiful but pushy; nurturing yet demanding. Light and Dark. Desiring to love, yet demanding love at the same time.
"Lissome dancers" is a lovely and evocative term, no? Damn sexy elves :D
So it looks as though Dynar's link to Delodiil happened a long time after that city was moved by Merid, meaning Meidia's dialogue is misleading or just an oversimplification. Delodiil's first mention in lore is in Remanada before Reman's birth. That would put the Withering of Delodiil post 1E 2600 to confuse things further :D
I reckon, then, that Delodiil was allied with Cyrodiil for an extremely long time after the battle of Glenumbra moors and ending of the Late Ayleid Period. This would make Delodiil incredibly note-worthy if true. Then things get time-weird as Delodiil exists both in Cyrodiil and in Coldharbour at the same time.
Damn, try and make sense of this for me so we can start wrting this stuff :D
I've been doing a bit more OOG reading on the matter, and I'll let you know what I find. Honestly, I think the Groundkeeer was being cautiously misleading. Come to think of it, she was rather guarded about passing along information until the player advanced the quest a bit more.
[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Phil2]Phil[/url] said:[/b]
[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Patriarch]Patriarch[/url] said:[/b]
Actually, any discrepency could be with my own misunderstandings and misinterpretation.
According to The Withering, Delodiil was located in the Heartland and was a city filled with "learned scholars, of meticulous artisans, and of lissome dancers." This description indicates to me that the Ayleids of this city were living in relative safety and security. There's not a lot of dancing and artistry when you are constantly defending your home. My point is that the book leads me to the assumption (wrongly, perhaps) that this is the time when the Ayleids were in firm control of the Heartlands. However, King Laloriaran Dynar's presence in Coldharbour troubles me. The Groundskeeer of the Hollow City (Meridia in disguise) indicates that Dynar was a defender of the city when it was taken. If that were true, then Dynar was taken to Coldharbour along with the city. But that can't be true because Dynar fought in the Battle of Glenumbra Moors, which takes place in the late Ayleid period - which was marked by Alessian control of the Heartlands. Even the UESP lore page for Laloriaran Dynar notes the discrepency:
In the years 1E 482-484, King Dynar returned to the Heartland and was lured to Nenalata, where he fell into Molag Bal's trap and was imprisoned in Coldharbour, in a replica of the White-Gold Tower. There he remained for over three thousand years.
Other sources state that King Dynar was not captured by Molag Bal in Nenalata, but instead was present in the Hollow City while it was still in Cyrodiil, was pushed into Coldharbour along with it, and captured shortly afterwards.
The discrepency is really about Dynar's chronology. I could, however, be taking Meridia's words too literally. Delodiil/Hollow City could have been a holdout Ayleid city in the late Ayleid period as was Abagarlas and Nenalata. Dynar could have escaped Delodiil's/Hollow City's disppearance but was captured shortly thereafter in Nenalata. Time is rather meaningless in Coldharbour; none of its man/mer inhabitants seem to have much conception of time or how long they have been imprisoned. So any discrepency could be in the interpretation of events, not in the events themselves.
Either way, Schick has spoken. Hollow City = Delodiil. Makes me want hang around the city. The more I study Meridia, the more I like her story. She's beautiful but pushy; nurturing yet demanding. Light and Dark. Desiring to love, yet demanding love at the same time.
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"Lissome dancers" is a lovely and evocative term, no? Damn sexy elves :D
So it looks as though Dynar's link to Delodiil happened a long time after that city was moved by Merid, meaning Meidia's dialogue is misleading or just an oversimplification. Delodiil's first mention in lore is in Remanada before Reman's birth. That would put the Withering of Delodiil post 1E 2600 to confuse things further :D
I reckon, then, that Delodiil was allied with Cyrodiil for an extremely long time after the battle of Glenumbra moors and ending of the Late Ayleid Period. This would make Delodiil incredibly note-worthy if true. Then things get time-weird as Delodiil exists both in Cyrodiil and in Coldharbour at the same time.
Damn, try and make sense of this for me so we can start wrting this stuff :D
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I've been doing a bit more OOG reading on the matter, and I'll let you know what I find. Honestly, I think the Groundkeeer was being cautiously misleading. Come to think of it, she was rather guarded about passing along information until the player advanced the quest a bit more.
