Ah, so you're a Psijic? The book The Light and the Dark may speak to you, it's like the prototype for Gods and Worship but I think it's beautiful.

I think you may have just grasped the concept of mythopoeia quicker than anyone I have ever discussed this with. Those are excellent questions. I cannot answer them with any certainty just like the Malacath/Trinimac. But (and I may regret doing this) there may be some oog evidence that it effects Talos as well:

What appears to be an Altmeri commentary on Talos:

To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.

To achieve this goal, we must:

1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.

2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.

3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit.

If you link all that which we've been over the last few days  with what we've just discussed and the quote above, you may see my interpretations more clearly. My interpretations need not be your own.

Ah, so you're a Psijic?

Not really. I agree with some of their beliefs, but no, I'm much more of a fatalist (you've probably noticed, lol)))

The book is indeed beautiful, though I don't agree that mortals created the gods or something like that. 

As for the myphopoeia, it appears to me that people tend to throw different fruits into the same basket. I think that by worshipping a god people can increase or decrease the influence of that god's aspect in the world, because they literally give their energy to that aspect. However, I don't believe thst they really change the god's essence by their worship. For instance, if people suddenly believe that Akatosh is a god of thunder, he won't become such))

Thus,  this

Altmeri commentary on Talos

seems to me like a commentary of a very silly (and crazy) Altmer)) For more than one reason. Nothing can remove Talos, he is already there. Even another Dragon Break might not change that. The only thing that can be changed is his influence in the world.

And that's why I am asking what is his aspect. If he is just renamed Lorkhan, that basically returns the world to the state of the Mythic era and might bring very unpleasant consequenses. If Talos is something other than Lorkhan, what does that change for the world?

(It might seem weird, but the story of Trinimac doesn't really pose an mystery to me, I feel that I understand what happened to him, at least partially.)

However, I don't believe thst they really change the god's essence by their worship. For instance, if people suddenly believe that Akatosh is a god of thunder, he won't become such))

Ok, but what about Alkosh, Auriel and Akatosh? What about Kyne and Kynareth? Or even Stendarr?

In the old days the Nords called him Stuhn and he was noted for introducing the concept of taking prisoners of war, a comparatively merciful act for the ancient Nords one could say. For the Imperials he is Stendarr, god of mercy. The Imperial Legion took him as a patron deity and we see a concept of honest and just rule entering into his portfolio. Fast forward to 4E201 and we can see he now has a new aspect to his sphere: zealous hatred of undead, daedra and all else abominable. He has become a witch-hunter's god. Where is the god of mercy now? This new Stendarr doesn't look like the one in TES IV Oblivion.

That is mythopoeia at work.

Nothing can remove Talos, he is already there. Even another Dragon Break might not change that. The only thing that can be changed is his influence in the world.

That is the very question though, isn't it? If Gods and Worship is right, that deities can lose their influence and therefore their power, why would Talos be exempt? Or would he be exempt? You'd need to get really deep and that whole Tal0s operating system to get an answer to that, maybe.

And that's why I am asking what is his aspect. If he is just renamed Lorkhan, that basically returns the world to the state of the Mythic era and might bring very unpleasant consequenses. If Talos is something other than Lorkhan, what does that change for the world?

Please could you define "aspect" for me? I don't quite get what you mean.

(It might seem weird, but the story of Trinimac doesn't really pose an mystery to me, I feel that I understand what happened to him, at least partially.)

Sorry, I meant in terms of how mythopoeia applies to him. The question is this: If Trinimac is subject to this shaping force, could his transformation be reversed if enough people started worshiping him again and enough time passes?

Ok, but what about Alkosh, Auriel and Akatosh? What about Kyne and Kynareth? Or even Stendarr?

Well, every people see the gods the way closest to their view of the world, but the essence is still the same. Akatosh/Auri-El/Alkosh - the god of time. Kyne/Kynareth - the goddess of nature, only for the Nords she is the goddes of storm, but it's still nature, and perfectly understandable because in Skyrim the nature is far harsher than is Cyrodiil. As for Stendarr, people may see him differently, but all the versions fit together well, no controversion here. The god of mercy - merciful and just rule - mercy for enemies (unless they are undead) - hatred for those who doesn't know mercy. It's still the same god.

Please could you define "aspect" for me? I don't quite get what you mean.

Akatosh the god of time. Mara the goddess of love. Lorkhan the god of change/space. Talos the god of... what?

 If Trinimac is subject to this shaping force, could his transformation be reversed if enough people started worshiping him again and enough time passes?

I have a feeling that no, it probably couldn't.

Well, every people see the gods the way closest to their view of the world, but the essence is still the same. Akatosh/Auri-El/Alkosh - the god of time. Kyne/Kynareth - the goddess of nature, only for the Nords she is the goddes of storm, but it's still nature, and perfectly understandable because in Skyrim the nature is far harsher than is Cyrodiil.

I get your reasoning and it's perfectly sound  For any other fantasy setting I think it would fit. This is TES and things aren't as clear cut. If we take your perfectly reasonable assertions that Auriel and Akatosh are the same being, why did he "side" with humanity during the Alessian Rebellions or the Nord/Falmer war?

The Towers are like anchors. They pin down and amplify the stories or the dream or the music or whatever metaphor you chose to describe reality. As such they can be altered or turned off altogether and when that happens the Tower's cultural music with all it's riffs and repeats can end. Yet while a Tower is active, the dominant culture alters reality because their story, their notes of the song, is amplified by the Tower. The gods are bound to Mundus, sacrificing or unwillingly giving up their agency to create the world. They are tied - bonded - to Mundus. The Towers are antennae.

So back to the slave rebellions against the Ayleids, you could say Akatosh and Auriel had a face off and Akathosh won. Hard to do unless they are somehow distinct. They are distinct because each culture's reality shapes reality, just like your perception is your reality.

That's even before we get into talking about the Marukhati and their dance on the Tower. See, they danced to the beat of the Tower and then the Tower danced to the beat of them. They altered reality, broke the Dragon and made Akatosh by dancing the elven notes from Auriel. Yet Auriel still answers prayers, no? As does Akatosh. They are separate, with separate personalities shaped by the beliefs of their followers.

I see it like a tree. The trunk is the oversoul but it has many culturally shaped branches. Each branch looks and grows differently and some are even at odds with one another. By careful pruning and enough time to do it, you can grow your own branch of the tree. If you pray at a shrine, you're not praying to the trunk but to the branch most relevant to you.

Akatosh the god of time. Mara the goddess of love. Lorkhan the god of change/space. Talos the god of... what?

Ah, I see. God of Mortals. God of Mundus. The Tower of Man. Lorkhan 2.0. He is in the dream but unlike the other gods he knows he is and acts to keep Mundus safe.

I have a feeling that no, it probably couldn't.

Ok so let's think about that and engage in a thought experiment. Your character is a fan of Trinimac and decides to build a shrine and convince others of your beliefs and eventually attracts a decent sized following. You declare today to be a holy day and all of you gather at the shrine and pray really hard for his blessings. What happens? Do you receive a blessing?  

If the answer is yes, who bestows the blessing?

If the answer is no, why not?

I will take a huge leap now and do some fun speculating. I may be wrong, but that's okay. 

Yeah, it's going to be a fascinating turn of events when a certain someone I know realizes that Auri-El and Akatosh are indeed different. That the one he's been calling Bormah isn't who he thinks it is. I sort of lump them together for a while, but more for narrative purposes, because why would anybody but a few very enlightened individuals in that universe understand differently and that's the complexity of it. I understand what's going on, but characters wouldn't and shouldn't have the insight that I have. They have to be in the dark until the light is revealed through the course of the narrative. It is a journey, you can't know everything when you start. 

It gives a new significance in my eyes to Auri-El allowing the player to take the bow and why you walk the Chantry. Five wayshrines, five steps, leading to enlightenment, the significance of the number 5 again. What is the fifth step symbolically to achieving divinity? Oh yeah, CHIM. Auri-El: Oh, you made it? Here, here is the weapon that shot your heart into the sea, take it, my inner sanctum is now destroyed. Dawnguard isn't about vampires at all. LOL and Vyrthur fell right into Auri-El's hands, if we want to go a step further, getting the whole ball started. Vyrthur despite being able to supposedly be Auri-El's voice, failed to move further. He failed to see. So, let him be the instrument to finding the one who can see further. 

It takes Hermaeus Mora to show the 6th step. And you do mantle. Dragon aspect is a factor in this. You take the form of a dragon, but it goes further as this is only a symbol.  Miraak couldn't do it, but you, you can, depending on how your character handles him/herself. Waking Dreams even discusses CHIM in it's opening text and it is the first black book you usually see. Will you let your character see into the dream... that when you turn the wheel, it forms an "I".

Both dlc have characters in them that failed and are imprisoned sort of by their inability to move further. Vyrthur because of his pity party and Miraak because he's so hell-bent on escaping. TLD kills them both. Heaven through violence. 

The Towers just add more deliciousness to all of this. Shame they didn't make the final cut of games, but... don't mean I can't use their lore to enhance things. 

Auri-El and Hermeaus Mora, one the leftovers from the other are showing you how to become...

Should I dare say it? Dare I? Dare I?

Nah, let's not have Thorien flip out. 

If we take your perfectly reasonable assertions that Auriel and Akatosh are the same being, why did he "side" with humanity during the Alessian Rebellions or the Nord/Falmer war?

I didn't know he did something during the Nord/Falmer war... did he? As for the Alessian rebellions, I guess it's the same thing as with Alduin. Alduin is his son, why send a Dragonborn guy yo kill him? Because he was doing something wrong that could harm the whole world. Maybe the Ayleids were giong to do something bad too, who knows. Then, the same Akatosh suddenly sided went to stop Pelinal, who was a part of the same Alessian Empire so he wouldn't kill all the Khajiit. For he same reason. I think Akatosh kind of tries to keep balance in the world.

So back to the slave rebellions against the Ayleids, you could say Akatosh and Auriel had a face off and Akathosh won.

Lol, no, I'm not going to say that))) What, he has split personality?)))

They altered reality, broke the Dragon and made Akatosh by dancing the elven notes from Auriel.

Since a Dragon Break is an overlapping of parallel realities, then for them to succeed there somethere must be a "not elven" Auriel. Which must be in a really different reality, I'd even say an opposite one. An overlapping of such realities would cause real problems to the world. That is if we say that Auriel was "elven" from the start, which I think he wasn't. It's the evles who descended from him, not the other way around. Auriel is a god whose essence is Order, if he becomes more "human" he will be somewhat like Lorkhan. Not really a good outcome for the world.

 they can be altered or turned off altogether and when that happens the Tower's cultural music with all it's riffs and repeats can end. Yet while a Tower is active, the dominant culture alters reality because their story, their notes of the song, is amplified by the Tower.  

This sounds like if a Tower is inactive, the people on whose land it stands have no hope anymore. Is that really so? And which culture is dominant then?

And if they are all inactive? The world ends?

God of Mortals. God of Mundus. The Tower of Man. 

That's why the worship of him must be banned. To much power for the men. They would drown Tamriel in blood and chaos.

What happens? Do you receive a blessing? 

If the answer is yes, who bestows the blessing?

Orcs are big fans of Trinimac, aren't they? They definitely have his shrines snd get some kind of blessings, or am I mistaken? I guess if they would still call him Trinimac instead of Malacath, he would be still himself.

That's cool, Lissette)) Though, I think that seeing the 'I' is not the end)) I'm weird, I know)))

What are they showing you how to become?))))

It wouldn't be the first god with a split personality. 

Who was the first?

I still think his personality is intact though. Otherwise... that would be weird as Oblivion.