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Writers Discuss - Romance (#10)

  • Member
    August 26, 2015

    Writers Discuss

    Topic #10 – Romance

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    Happy tenth discussion, guys! (Has it really been over three two months since we started doing these?)

    Taking into consideration last week's, um... tangent... let's have a chat about one of storytelling's biggest staples: romance.

    Please keep the discussion mature and thoughtful. 

    Why do we enjoy (or not enjoy) romances in stories?

    What do you like to see in a romance?

    What makes a good romance?

    How can we avoid writing bad romances?

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  • August 26, 2015

    Hahaha, I'm going to keep my mouth shut for a while on this one Okan 

    Lets hear your take on it first! 

    Oh ok, I'll say something here. I'm only immature by choice, not by nature...

    But to be honest I think it is an important aspect of story telling because its an important aspect of life.

    I think the romance needs to be realistic and in-line with the rest of the story, and something we should all be able to identify with.

    Romance is often tied up with a whole plethora of other aspects of drama: jealousy, fear of rejection etc..

    It's not something that is done all that well in this genre - Tolkien is famous for not having a clue about women. GGR Martin writes on aspects of romance very well.

    Anne-Rice's vampire novels and also a great novel called "The Witching Hour" has some great moments of romance and love, lust and some pretty well written sex scenes - which (and I'm being mature now) I think can really add some spice to a good read...

    That's my 2 cents worth anyway...

  • Member
    August 26, 2015

    Well then, I'll try and think of some things. Thank you Andrew for throwing me under the bus. XP

    This is actually a topic I'll admit I don't think I understand very well. I secretly love romances in stories more than I'll admit to most people (you guys aren't most people), but I haven't had much success with relationships myself. So...

    I suppose for me, a romance makes a good subplot. I don't really like seeing a romance as the main plot of a story because romances typically end one of two ways: they get together or they don't. Kind of predictable. That said, I enjoy romances for many reasons. For one, we as humans are relational by nature and romantic love is a very relatable, almost universal experience. Seeing a character fall in love is one way we get a glimpse of their humanity. Romances can show more vulnerable sides of characters and can serve to create character depth.

    I do believe, however, that a romance should not exist just for the sake of itself (much like many other things in writing). It should fit within the larger scheme of the story. Say what you will about Terry Goodkind, but one of the things I thought he did well with the romance in Wizard's First Rule was that it tied directly into the story's plot and, in particular, the magic system. It was relevant to the story on multiple levels. 

    When it comes to writing romances, here's something to watch out for: don't create characters whose only purpose in the story is to romance the protagonist! This is actually a mistake I've made in past stories that I've tried to create. I'm ashamed to admit it, but I would often introduce a character (typically female, because most of my protagonists were male) and my sole motivation for them would be to have them fall in love with the hero. It's a tired trope and one that doesn't reflect real life.

    In a relationship, your significant other does not exist solely to be your significant other. Likewise, love interests are not robots. They are full fledged characters. They're people. They have goals, desires, and motivations, some of which might not align with those of the person they love. Relationships aren't just about agreement and mutuality - they're just as often about conflict and struggle. They're dynamic.

    Don't just think about reasons why the characters involved in your romance are good together. Think about what's going to create problems for them as well.

    So yeah. That's about the best I've got. 

    On a, uh... final note: I'm the kind of person who tends to shy away from discussions on sex. But I do feel that having a sexual component to a romance can definitely enrich a story. I don't like sex in stories for the sake of gratification, though. That's just cheap. Sex works best when it serves a higher purpose like character development. It's not the act of it that's significant to me. It's about who the participants are and the depth of their relationship.

    Okay... I'm going to stop talking now... >.>

  • Member
    August 26, 2015

    Oh Okan, XDDDD

  • August 26, 2015

    I think you managed to roll out from under that bus Okan! Thank you for your honesty in this answer.

    I think by their very nature, relationships are difficult and need a lot of work. So too does writing about them. The great thing about writing about fantasy is that you don't need any life experience in fantasy worlds to write about them. But being older myself and having had both some short and longer term relationships (including my marriage at present) I find it easier to talk about them due to real-life experience.

    Being someone who works in health, I also have unique perspectives into other people's lives, and guess what? They FREQUENTLY talk about their relationships.

    My personal take on reading and writing about sex is that it should actually be titillating but not necessarily gratuitous or it borders on porn. The same goes for blood and gore, there are things I've read and seen in movies that are just too OTT.

    Talk to any veteran who has actually seen these things in war and they don't like to talk about it. Telling...

  • Member
    August 26, 2015

    I haven't replied to many of these discussions, and I regret that. This is something I... should stop talking XD

    Why do we enjoy (or not enjoy) romances in stories?

    I enjoy them in stories. It's what makes them more adult in a sense. The Wereworld series (yea yea...) I adore, though has romance in its content, it doesn't show up (majorly, I should say) till the end of the 4th book. 

    What do you like to see in a romance?

    I like to see characters both develop as well as have spats with each other. It shows that even though they care for each other, nothing is perfect. No matter how much one tries to make it... 

    What makes a good romance?

    Like above, when both characters in the romance develop more because of the other. It could be one comes out of a personal shell and the other thinks more openly about the world and those around them. 

    How can we avoid writing bad romances?

    Simple: don't make it cheesy as hell... >.>

    Romances that are cheesy turn me the other damn way and close the book. That's why I avoid writing those kind of romances. However, though I haven't written a romance scene quite yet in my writings, that doesn't mean I haven't thought about them, or the sex but I'll stop there. 

    Not shy about the talk of it or anything like that, just not sure it's a thing our younger audience should read what we, as individuals, write as sex. 

  • August 26, 2015

    Agreed, we have to cognizant that there are younger members here so some of these topics should be treated delicately.

    Okan, if we go in that direction perhaps an age warning?

  • Member
    August 26, 2015

    That should be a given, Andrew

    An Author's Note at the top of the blog saying there will be a description or something like that for the adult content. But for God's sake, no writing the act, that's just a one-way ticket for you to get banned >.<

  • August 26, 2015

    Of course. Although I just realized that such a description may actually attract more youngsters to the conversation (I know that when I was younger it would have drawn me to the topic like an iron file to an electromagnet...)

  • Member
    August 26, 2015

    You mean erotica, right?