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  • Matt Feeney the New Guy
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    September 19, 2015
    Someone else thought this and MK straight up said no. Not that you still can't think it, just so you know where he stands on it. I do think she has some connection to the Magna-Ge though. I theorized somewhere that she taught the Yokudans her sword moves through the stars, which the Yokudans would study with their knowledge of astronomy. MK also said Tall Papa is not Magnus and I'm gonna agree. Not that there aren't similarities, but it's definitely not a 1:1 comparison.
  • Veloth the Prophet
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    September 19, 2015

    The Yokudan gods being Magna-Ge is what I find interesting about them, but if that's not the case then I am very sad.

  • Matt Feeney the New Guy
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    September 19, 2015
    I'm willing to bet some Yokudan gods are totally Magna-Ge. There's just too much star stuff in their culture and creation myth for it not to be true. There are some complexities to it that I'm having trouble articulating right now. I'll just say this: Stars, in Yokudan mythology, existed before the Mundus. How important is the 'escaping Mundus' part to being a Magna-Ge?
  • Veloth the Prophet
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    September 19, 2015

    Well isn't Tall Papa putting the stars in the sky to show people how to escape pretty much the same idea as the Magna-Ge escaping? 

  • Veloth the Prophet
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    September 19, 2015

    I mean the artwork for Leki has a straight up sun wheel made by a sword. Also the astrological symbol for the earth and the meridian equator.

    I'm gonna have to disagree with MK on this one.

  • Matt Feeney the New Guy
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    September 19, 2015
    Kind of? They were created to guide stuff to the Far Shores, whether it's Satakal or Mundus. It depends on nitpicky you want to be about it. Tall Papa has no tangible connection to the Mundus whereas Magnus was the designer of it. Not that Tall Papa doesn't design/create a lot of stuff. He did create Sep from the shedded skin of Satakal (who was once everything that existed). So you could say they're both creators and are related to the stars, on top of a few other things. Like I said, there are similarities, but I don't think it's a 1:1 comparison.

    Leki has always been a tough one. I think she is more of a Julianos-type figure since she has the whole teacher thing going for her. The imagery between her and Meridia definitely fits but I'm not really seeing a similar theme between the two of them. Maybe you got one in mind?

    That sun bit in the picture is a bit weird since the sun is supposed to belong to Tava. *Answering on my phone so it might seem a bit jumbled. Still I'll probably add the Magnus=Tall Papa/Leki=Meridia theories to the original discussion. No reason to keep them out just because I don't agree with them.
  • Veloth the Prophet
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    September 19, 2015

    Nothing solid other than the idea that Tall Papa is Magnus and his daughter is Meridia so then Leki must be her. Also the sword\sun emblem matches with Meridia's relic Dawnbreaker.

    Also like I said the solar wheel doesn't just represent the sun but also the earth and the meridian equator, so kind of like the earth and the sun's effects on it. That makes me think of Meridia being the sun's presence on Nirn. 

  • Veloth the Prophet
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    January 27, 2016

    Here is a question I just thought of. I'm not sure how much lore there is to go off here but what would a regular Redguard identify as?

    I know in the games everybody from Hammerfell just calls each other Redguard but I see that as just a game mechanic so as not to get confusing for the player and since we know that the name "Redguard" is just a mispronunciation of Ra' Gada and doesn't actually encompass everybody from Hammerfell I just don't see them using it amongst themselves.

    If you asked someone from Hammerfell what they are do you think they would say Ra' Gadan or Na-Totamban? Or would only the actual warrior and ruling casts use these terms and not their descendants? Would they still just classify themselves as Yokudans? Hammerfellians? Or do you think the games are right and they all just accept the name Redguard now?

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    January 30, 2016

    Weltan (a Redguard) refers to Redguards as Redguards in Epode of the Ansei Wards, using Ra Gada for poetic purposes, and Na-Totambu refers to the ruling class of Yokuda, not Yokudans as a whole. Crowns consider themselves their purest descendants, and the chances they are right as likely as rat's piss tasting like juniper berry mead, which is to say none.

    I am inclined to say they call themselves Redguards — Forebear or Crown when it gets socio-political — as it would not actually be confusing for Redguards to use different adjectives in-game, or in the lore, in my opinion.

    Tangent alert:

    Honestly, I think Bethesda should just make all of the humans human. It would fit the lore and settle questions like this.

    What would Redguards call themselves in such a game? Whatever the player wants as they could make up their own bit of culture amidst the base cultures in the lore. That can be done but it is limited by the overarching labels; a Nord population outside of Skyrim will always be Nord, no matter how divergent [suck ass movie] they are from those in Skyrim.

  • Veloth the Prophet
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    June 20, 2016

    There really is some good Redguard books in ESO:

    Lore:Correct Ways of Slaying Ra-Netu: 12 - UESPWiki

    Lore:How the Yokudans Chased the Stars - UESPWiki

    Lore:Blessed, Blessed Satakalaam - UESPWiki

    Lore:The Worthy Ar-Azal, His Deeds - UESPWiki


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