Curious if anyone can manage it with low/no Sneak but with Quiet Casting + Throw Voice. Personally, I've never been able to make that Shout work too well, but this might be a good opportunity to try it out again.
Curious if anyone can manage it with low/no Sneak but with Quiet Casting + Throw Voice. Personally, I've never been able to make that Shout work too well, but this might be a good opportunity to try it out again.
I didn't consider Calm or Frenzy spells because of Illusion. No Muffle/ Invisibility to me meant no Quiet Casting either. Muffle makes all your movement silent (except if you swing any weapon other than a Dagger, or cast a spell - since the sound of readying a weapon is not heard by NPCs). Quiet Casting would be like Muffle for spells cast (again, not readied), so it's a no-no for me.
I thought of line of sight (or cone of vision, according to UESP) manipulation, and thought of holding an item between me and the NPCs, so as to block vision. This would however get me detected, because of the noise I would make. Then, I thought of putting a bucket over everybody's head, which will definitely be fun, and hard as hell to do undetected, but is considered an exploit... What I am missing is a quiver of Water Arrows (like in Thief).
In both retrospect and in perspective, the only viable option for bypassing the said limitations seems to me is Fortify Sneak... using Standard/ Custom Potions or Unique items/ Generic Magic Apparel/ Custom Enchants... If so, timing is highly governed by Silent Roll.
I didn't consider Calm or Frenzy spells because of Illusion. No Muffle/ Invisibility to me meant no Quiet Casting either. Muffle makes all your movement silent (except if you swing any weapon other than a Dagger, or cast a spell - since the sound of readying a weapon is not heard by NPCs). Quiet Casting would be like Muffle for spells cast (again, not readied), so it's a no-no for me.
I thought of line of sight (or cone of vision, according to UESP) manipulation, and thought of holding an item between me and the NPCs, so as to block vision. This would however get me detected, because of the noise I would make. Then, I thought of putting a bucket over everybody's head, which will definitely be fun, and hard as hell to do undetected, but is considered an exploit... What I am missing is a quiver of Water Arrows (like in Thief).
In both retrospect and in perspective, the only viable option for bypassing the said limitations seems to me is Fortify Sneak... using Standard/ Custom Potions or Unique items/ Generic Magic Apparel/ Custom Enchants... If so, timing is highly governed by Silent Roll.
I didn't have Quiet Casting, I just made sure I used the staves from a distance. Like I said it appears that Gandor's staff makes very little noise, so I think that helped a bit
I didn't have Quiet Casting, I just made sure I used the staves from a distance. Like I said it appears that Gandor's staff makes very little noise, so I think that helped a bit
Easy solve, done at any level before lvl 12, will get you detected (MAYBE) but not into combat:
Easy solve, done at any level before lvl 12, will get you detected (MAYBE) but not into combat: