Actually it's the first time a Dragonborn was involved in events surrounding the Eye. There was no Dragonborn when it was first discovered and it wasn't discovered when any of the known Dragonborns lived. 

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/JusticiarThorien]Justiciar Thorien[/url] said:[/b]

 but we have a slight notion about the events that unraveled in the Merethic Era.

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[blockquote][b][url=/profile/JusticiarThorien]Justiciar Thorien[/url] said:[/b]

Actually it's the first time a Dragonborn was involved in events surrounding the Eye. There was no Dragonborn when it was first discovered and it wasn't discovered when any of the known Dragonborns lived. 

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Is that so? So our understanding of events from the Era of Myth is so good that we can say with certainty that Miraak was not stomping around Solstheim at the time Ysgramor's Five Hundred were spreading across Skyrim? We meet Dragonborn in Sovngarde, yet have no idea of when they lived.

Just a look at The Guardian and the Traitor will throw up another note that keeps repeating, eerily similar as it is to Aevar Stone-Singer and later, the battle between The First and Last Dragonborns. If the Last Dragonborn is playing the role of The Guardian, then why couldn't the Guardian also have been Dragonborn? 

It is all myth and legend, it's all music, Thuri. Notes in a song. These themes repeat themselves because that is what the Towers are supposed to make happen.

Each moment of significance looks and sounds similar to the last significant moment. In this case, the last significant moment had the Eye of Magnus in the frame. It has to be in the frame again now as there is nothing else it could be. Recreating myths, reenacting events - this is the story of the Interplay, and it is not a flea of assertion on a wolf of nought. Talos ascended by recreating and reenacting stories.

Miraak might have indeed lived at the same time as Ysgramor but it's quite obvious that Ysgramor didn't invite him to look at the Eye. Which means that he has no more involvement with the Eye than Reman or Hjalti.

The thing is that nothing repeats exactly as it was. There is always a change, even a slight one, otherwise everything loses its purpose.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/JusticiarThorien]Justiciar Thorien[/url] said:[/b]

The thing is that nothing repeats exactly as it was. There is always a change, even a slight one, otherwise everything loses its purpose.

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Which is why Lorkhan failed on purpose, if you require everything to have purpose. He failed so that others could succeed. 

Now apply to Eye. It didn´t disappear in the first place because the right events didn´t happen. Or it didn´t appear because the right events didn´t happen. 

Stop poking in details, Justiciar. The point of what Phil is saying is that there were Dragons, there was Dragonborn, there were Thu´um users, there was war. Repeats in 4th Era, this time it goes through up until the end. 

It´s enantiomorph, as everything. Enantiomorph repeats itself all the times, with different events, different players. Big enantiomoprh, small enantiomorph. 

There are no hard facts here, just theories. 

The Dragon doesn't care if a Dragonborn ever saw the Eye or not. I like to imagine that he takes snapshots. Or Magnus does. Or his Mnemo-Li. The snapshot is like a census, it is a very big picture. The picture taken then, when juxtaposed with the picture taken now, shows the same data. In order to see the big picture, one must examine all the small images, like assembling a jigsaw puzzle.

So yeah, there will always be differences. The cat can be alive in the first and dead in the second snapshot. The act of observing effects the observed. God does play dice with the universe.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/KarverTheLorc]Karver the Lorc[/url] said:[/b]

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/JusticiarThorien]Justiciar Thorien[/url] said:[/b]

The thing is that nothing repeats exactly as it was. There is always a change, even a slight one, otherwise everything loses its purpose.

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Which is why Lorkhan failed on purpose, if you require everything to have purpose. He failed so that others could succeed. 

Now apply to Eye. It didn´t disappear in the first place because the right events didn´t happen. Or it didn´t appear because the right events didn´t happen. 

Stop poking in details, Justiciar. The point of what Phil is saying is that there were Dragons, there was Dragonborn, there were Thu´um users, there was war. Repeats in 4th Era, this time it goes through up until the end. 

It´s enantiomorph, as everything. Enantiomorph repeats itself all the times, with different events, different players. Big enantiomoprh, small enantiomorph. 

There are no hard facts here, just theories. 

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Yeah, this ^ Listen to the Lorc, he has the true word.

Yeah, Lorkhan did just that, I know.

Still, there is always a cause and an effect, everywhere, in things of legends and in everyday. Things don't happen out of nowhere. If they seem to, it just means that we don't see the whole picture.

The cat might be dead in one snapshot and alive in the next, but there is always the moment between, the moment when it dies or comes to life))) And the things that make the change are the very details I'm poking in))))

If the Eye wasn't there in the First Era, it had to be somewhere else. And if it was there but no one saw it there must have been a reason why. And also the fact that the Dragonborn who finds the Eye also finds Jyrik Gauldurson also has to have some meaning. All the picture depends on the causes and effects, the details))

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/JusticiarThorien]Justiciar Thorien[/url] said:[/b]

Yeah, Lorkhan did just that, I know.

Still, there is always a cause and an effect, everywhere, in things of legends and in everyday. Things don't happen out of nowhere. If they seem to, it just means that we don't see the whole picture.

The cat might be dead in one snapshot and alive in the next, but there is always the moment between, the moment when it dies or comes to life))) And the things that make the change are the very details I'm poking in))))

If the Eye wasn't there in the First Era, it had to be somewhere else. And if it was there but no one saw it there must have been a reason why. And also the fact that the Dragonborn who finds the Eye also finds Jyrik Gauldurson also has to have some meaning. All the picture depends on the causes and effects, the details))

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Why does a song have a refrain? :)

Towers are like story-factories, aye? They pump out a culture's memes over and over. A culture can change, of course, and that is one of the proposed reasons why Cyrodd went from jungle to breadbasket. The Towers keep pumping out these chapters, like so many monkeys with typewriters, until the story gets finished.

The last time this chapter was written, Miraak said "nope." Alduin was cast forward in time and the Dragon War didn't end, just went into hiatus. This time things will be different. Or they won't. If they are different, maybe the story finally gets finished. If they are the same then the story will be written again and will be written over and over until a monkey gets it right.

A song has a refrain, but that's not all of the song. If you only listen the refrain you haven't heard the whole song.

Once we go into the scale of Towers and dragons we see the big picture and all works nicely. But then the details aren't seen. We already know what all kinds of heroes and legendary folks saw when they looked undr Saarthal. But now I want to know what could mage X. and mages A., B. and C. have seen when they looked there. And who put the amulet that we found on that door. And why Brelyna Marion couldn't find any trace of wards in there. Etc, etc. That's what makes the story whole, no?