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• Okan-Zeeus

  

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  November 25, 2015

  Writers Discuss
  

  Topic #23 – Character Flaws
  

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  Time for another discussion! Let's talk about character flaws. We as people all have flaws, but we don't always agree on what counts as them! Still, they're an important part of character development.

  Here are some questions to consider:

  What is a character flaw?

  How should we, as story tellers, use character flaws?

  How can we make character flaws believable and compelling?

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  If you have any suggestions for future topics include them in the comments section!

  Writers Discuss - Archive

  Writers Discuss
  

  Topic #23 – Character Flaws
  

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  Time for another discussion! Let's talk about character flaws. We as people all have flaws, but we don't always agree on what counts as them! Still, they're an important part of character development.

  Here are some questions to consider:

  What is a character flaw?

  How should we, as story tellers, use character flaws?

  How can we make character flaws believable and compelling?

  ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

  If you have any suggestions for future topics include them in the comments section!

  Writers Discuss - Archive

• Okan-Zeeus

  

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  November 27, 2015

  I'll mention some quick things, while I have the time.

  A character flaw, of course, is a quality of a character that would be considered bad or undesirable. They make characters interesting, help readers identify with them, and allow for growth. Flaws are generally internal, issues of thought or personality.

  One of the prime reasons we read is to watch other people overcome difficulties and trials, experiencing this in a somewhat safe but also somewhat threatening way. Overcoming flaws is a way to do this. Of course, there is always the creep problem: when our protagonist overcomes their flaw, then we want to give him new challenges that are more difficult, and start adding new flaws for them to overcome again. The cycle will keep repeating itself over and over and over (if anyone here has ever watched Dragon Ball Z, I consider that show to be a major perpetrator of the creep problem).

  Good flaws should work into the story and exacerbate conflict. Otherwise they're just quirks. They have to hinder the character and the story, or be something a villain can exploit.

  One way I've seen to show flaws in characters is to have other characters notice them. This allows for some simultaneous character development, where one's flaws are being shown to the reader, while another notices these flaws for reasons of their own. You could have a protagonist with a flaw of never committing, for instance, and have a close friend who groans every time they see it happen.

  For flaws to work, you have to make sure that your character still has qualities that others can identify with or understand. You don't have to make the character likable, but you should make them compelling. A good way to do this is to have your character be competent at something, which will then balance out with their flaws.

  I'll mention some quick things, while I have the time.

  A character flaw, of course, is a quality of a character that would be considered bad or undesirable. They make characters interesting, help readers identify with them, and allow for growth. Flaws are generally internal, issues of thought or personality.

  One of the prime reasons we read is to watch other people overcome difficulties and trials, experiencing this in a somewhat safe but also somewhat threatening way. Overcoming flaws is a way to do this. Of course, there is always the creep problem: when our protagonist overcomes their flaw, then we want to give him new challenges that are more difficult, and start adding new flaws for them to overcome again. The cycle will keep repeating itself over and over and over (if anyone here has ever watched Dragon Ball Z, I consider that show to be a major perpetrator of the creep problem).

  Good flaws should work into the story and exacerbate conflict. Otherwise they're just quirks. They have to hinder the character and the story, or be something a villain can exploit.

  One way I've seen to show flaws in characters is to have other characters notice them. This allows for some simultaneous character development, where one's flaws are being shown to the reader, while another notices these flaws for reasons of their own. You could have a protagonist with a flaw of never committing, for instance, and have a close friend who groans every time they see it happen.

  For flaws to work, you have to make sure that your character still has qualities that others can identify with or understand. You don't have to make the character likable, but you should make them compelling. A good way to do this is to have your character be competent at something, which will then balance out with their flaws.

• Exuro

  

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  November 29, 2015

  Oh wow, no one else has responded to this yet. I shall stoically write a full response for once.

  What is a character flaw?

  Like Okan said, they are the undesirables. They can be small, like hating mornings, or huge, like enjoying seeing souls crumble to dust before them.  They can simply be there to provide a more human quirk to round out the character, or be used as leads into explaining their backstory and as foreshadowing for future conflicts.

  For the overcoming creep problem, a good option can be to start focusing on other characters' flaws. This can help showcase the hero's victories as well as flesh out a secondary character.

  How should, we as story tellers,  use character flaws?

  Character flaws are a huge part of my narrative and how these broken people interact is often what I use to drive the story forward.

  I present the flaws in a variety of ways:

  - The flawed character actions: relishing in a heinous deed then vomiting immediately after, showing an internal conflict through physical actions. 

  -The flawed character's internal thoughts: the emotions raised from a dream they had

  -Thoughts of someone watching the flawed character: A priest watching a girl cling to an unscrupulous rogue.

  Another aspect is, how does the character's flaws affect those around them? This is particularly important in my story since the main character is a teenager and how she perceives the world is defined a bit more by each thing she sees in those around her.  

  How can we make character flaws believable and compelling?

  Well sometimes friends and family can provide a lot of inspiration. I'd advise against making a character just like them though (especially if they read your work). Take a few traits, make a few up, and create a new person. Have a history or reason that can explain why they have the flaw. I usually think up in-depth backstories, but only slowly reveal it throughout the story. This way the reader sees the final result and knows there is a story behind it, but has to use their mind to fill in the blanks until much later, which (I hope) helps makes the story compelling.

  The flaws shouldn't stay static. Just like how a character should develop throughout a story, so should the issues that eat at their heart.  Some may be overcome, others may become irrelevant, maybe they change into a new beast (e.g. fear of public speaking overcome only to become a fear of misleading people), or maybe they get worse (good route for 'descent into darkness' types).

  Oh wow, no one else has responded to this yet. I shall stoically write a full response for once.

  What is a character flaw?

  Like Okan said, they are the undesirables. They can be small, like hating mornings, or huge, like enjoying seeing souls crumble to dust before them.  They can simply be there to provide a more human quirk to round out the character, or be used as leads into explaining their backstory and as foreshadowing for future conflicts.

  For the overcoming creep problem, a good option can be to start focusing on other characters' flaws. This can help showcase the hero's victories as well as flesh out a secondary character.

  How should, we as story tellers,  use character flaws?

  Character flaws are a huge part of my narrative and how these broken people interact is often what I use to drive the story forward.

  I present the flaws in a variety of ways:

  - The flawed character actions: relishing in a heinous deed then vomiting immediately after, showing an internal conflict through physical actions. 

  -The flawed character's internal thoughts: the emotions raised from a dream they had

  -Thoughts of someone watching the flawed character: A priest watching a girl cling to an unscrupulous rogue.

  Another aspect is, how does the character's flaws affect those around them? This is particularly important in my story since the main character is a teenager and how she perceives the world is defined a bit more by each thing she sees in those around her.  

  How can we make character flaws believable and compelling?

  Well sometimes friends and family can provide a lot of inspiration. I'd advise against making a character just like them though (especially if they read your work). Take a few traits, make a few up, and create a new person. Have a history or reason that can explain why they have the flaw. I usually think up in-depth backstories, but only slowly reveal it throughout the story. This way the reader sees the final result and knows there is a story behind it, but has to use their mind to fill in the blanks until much later, which (I hope) helps makes the story compelling.

  The flaws shouldn't stay static. Just like how a character should develop throughout a story, so should the issues that eat at their heart.  Some may be overcome, others may become irrelevant, maybe they change into a new beast (e.g. fear of public speaking overcome only to become a fear of misleading people), or maybe they get worse (good route for 'descent into darkness' types).

• Lazy

  

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  November 29, 2015

  I shall throw in my humble opinion on the subject. A character flaw is just that, something inherrent within a character's personality that is neither desirable nor useful to the general viewing eye. It can range from annoying quirks to dreadful psychological complexes. An 'ideal' flaw is one that provides development in a character or even the plot. Overcoming one's inner imperfections is a quest many hold as noble and engaging. Most people think that flaws make a character feel real or human. I disagree. This kind of thinking gives rise to adding flaws to otherwise flawless characters, for the sake of 'realism' and depth. In my opinion, that is a harmful practice. Flaws should blend seamlessly with the spirit of the character. Take a Mary Sue and plug in some negative traits and sure, no more Sue, but the spirit of the original character is lost. Making a flawed character should be a natural process, not a clumsy, shoehorned ordeal. Would you make cracks on a vase your own hands made? Depth to a character relies on the writer's way of the words, but also integral to it is the reader's perception. Within the context of the topic, true perfection is non-existent and quite boring as a story element, but perceived perfection is another story. Say you have financial problems one day. Then a man in smart clothes offers you a helping hand in the form of a respectable amount of money and financial advice. In that moment, you (probably) would regard him as a savior, a hero. Though he may be all kinds of evil underneath that suit, he is to you a perfect good Samaritan, a flawless being yet nevertheless real. People IRL try hard, so very hard to hide their flaws so they at least appear, well, normal. To them, mediocrity is a perfection in its own. A protagonist coming from normal, functional society would do the same, but what goes on in wherever the conflict is the heart of the story. After all, the only true antagonist is the protagonist themselves.

  I shall throw in my humble opinion on the subject. A character flaw is just that, something inherrent within a character's personality that is neither desirable nor useful to the general viewing eye. It can range from annoying quirks to dreadful psychological complexes. An 'ideal' flaw is one that provides development in a character or even the plot. Overcoming one's inner imperfections is a quest many hold as noble and engaging. Most people think that flaws make a character feel real or human. I disagree. This kind of thinking gives rise to adding flaws to otherwise flawless characters, for the sake of 'realism' and depth. In my opinion, that is a harmful practice. Flaws should blend seamlessly with the spirit of the character. Take a Mary Sue and plug in some negative traits and sure, no more Sue, but the spirit of the original character is lost. Making a flawed character should be a natural process, not a clumsy, shoehorned ordeal. Would you make cracks on a vase your own hands made? Depth to a character relies on the writer's way of the words, but also integral to it is the reader's perception. Within the context of the topic, true perfection is non-existent and quite boring as a story element, but perceived perfection is another story. Say you have financial problems one day. Then a man in smart clothes offers you a helping hand in the form of a respectable amount of money and financial advice. In that moment, you (probably) would regard him as a savior, a hero. Though he may be all kinds of evil underneath that suit, he is to you a perfect good Samaritan, a flawless being yet nevertheless real. People IRL try hard, so very hard to hide their flaws so they at least appear, well, normal. To them, mediocrity is a perfection in its own. A protagonist coming from normal, functional society would do the same, but what goes on in wherever the conflict is the heart of the story. After all, the only true antagonist is the protagonist themselves.
• Sotek

  

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  November 29, 2015

  What is a character flaw?

  Just that. A dent in their armor. That elbow joint that for some reason just don’t flow right. The wrist strap that always works lose. It’s an imperfection of a character. I suppose there’s a fine line between a character trait and a flaw. Could something be both?

  Take the Egg brother of Blabbermouth... Worrynotss Shines-Like-Gold.

  Now Worrynotss has all the Septims he needs. If there’s something he wants then he simply buys it. He doesn’t have to worry about the cost or where his next meal is coming from. House for sale? Nope not any more... Horse tired? Just buy another one... Armor damaged. I’ll buy that set please, oh and that wonderful sword you have for sale at 10,000 septims. Here, keep the change...

  Get the picture? Not much of a flaw though, unless..

  Unless he is oblivious to other peoples suffering and their situation. He don’t see beggars suffering or his group trying to save a few gold to repair their bow that badly needs a new drawstring then it becomes a flaw. His ignorance is his greatest flaw, he just don’t see what is so hard about trying to save... Hunger and suffering are alien to him. Now it’s something tangible in their character. A flaw isn’t necessarily an inability to do something, a lack of a skill, it’s a failure of their character.

  Don’t presume a flaw is a physical weakness, it don’t have to be. A flaw could be psychological, like a hatred for someone or something. Then again it could be the overwhelming desire to protect someone or a set of vows.

  The best way to make them believable and compelling?

  Give the flaw a point. Use it yes, but the reason has to make sense. The flaw could be a great aid to your story. One of Sotek’s biggest flaws is the fact that he makes up all these plans but he don’t tell anyone. He won’t explain anything. Now this could be trust issues he has or it could run deeper than that. It could just be the case that he thinks himself superior to others so why should he explain? If they can’t be bothered to figure out what it is he’s doing then why waste his own time telling them. (That’s not the reason by the way  but it could have been).

  Take the third member of our little pack. Oki’doki’us Sell-it-all-twice his flaw is he never walks away from a fight. Doesn’t matter if it’s his egg Brothers fighting or two strangers, hell even a mob. He works in a traders shop ‘The Argonians Pack’. You know the one, that shabby hut on the border of Blackmarsh? Ok take the east road from Cheydinhal and head towards the borders of Blackmarsh. Turn left when you get to... Oh, you’ll find it...

  He actually lives in the room above the shop and he spends every hour in there. Never stepped outside for five years.

  So what the hell is the point of a flaw where he never walks away from a fight when he never gets into one?

  What is a character flaw?

  Just that. A dent in their armor. That elbow joint that for some reason just don’t flow right. The wrist strap that always works lose. It’s an imperfection of a character. I suppose there’s a fine line between a character trait and a flaw. Could something be both?

  Take the Egg brother of Blabbermouth... Worrynotss Shines-Like-Gold.

  Now Worrynotss has all the Septims he needs. If there’s something he wants then he simply buys it. He doesn’t have to worry about the cost or where his next meal is coming from. House for sale? Nope not any more... Horse tired? Just buy another one... Armor damaged. I’ll buy that set please, oh and that wonderful sword you have for sale at 10,000 septims. Here, keep the change...

  Get the picture? Not much of a flaw though, unless..

  Unless he is oblivious to other peoples suffering and their situation. He don’t see beggars suffering or his group trying to save a few gold to repair their bow that badly needs a new drawstring then it becomes a flaw. His ignorance is his greatest flaw, he just don’t see what is so hard about trying to save... Hunger and suffering are alien to him. Now it’s something tangible in their character. A flaw isn’t necessarily an inability to do something, a lack of a skill, it’s a failure of their character.

  Don’t presume a flaw is a physical weakness, it don’t have to be. A flaw could be psychological, like a hatred for someone or something. Then again it could be the overwhelming desire to protect someone or a set of vows.

  The best way to make them believable and compelling?

  Give the flaw a point. Use it yes, but the reason has to make sense. The flaw could be a great aid to your story. One of Sotek’s biggest flaws is the fact that he makes up all these plans but he don’t tell anyone. He won’t explain anything. Now this could be trust issues he has or it could run deeper than that. It could just be the case that he thinks himself superior to others so why should he explain? If they can’t be bothered to figure out what it is he’s doing then why waste his own time telling them. (That’s not the reason by the way  but it could have been).

  Take the third member of our little pack. Oki’doki’us Sell-it-all-twice his flaw is he never walks away from a fight. Doesn’t matter if it’s his egg Brothers fighting or two strangers, hell even a mob. He works in a traders shop ‘The Argonians Pack’. You know the one, that shabby hut on the border of Blackmarsh? Ok take the east road from Cheydinhal and head towards the borders of Blackmarsh. Turn left when you get to... Oh, you’ll find it...

  He actually lives in the room above the shop and he spends every hour in there. Never stepped outside for five years.

  So what the hell is the point of a flaw where he never walks away from a fight when he never gets into one?

• The Long-Chapper

  

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  December 1, 2015

  I really struggled with this topic, because all of the above were valid points, and I agree with them, so what was I going to contribute to this conversation? Then I was explaining some plot points of Straag Rod to my sister (good ol' Sisterbane to some here, the typo hunter), and my response to this topic found itself. 

  The running theme for many of the responses was the emphasis on the flaw being an undesirable trait. Something bad to overcome. Loved the "enjoy souls crumbling to dust" reference. What if, instead, the flaw is a desirable trait carried to the extreme that it then fulfills all the requirements of a character flaw.  Like, for example, inherent goodness or honesty or integrity. Goodness, honesty, integrity? Lissette, what are you talking about? How can those be flaws? You cray cray.

  Hear me out. 

  Issues of thought or personality.

  Honesty, Integrity, Goodness certainly fill the above requirement. They can certainly be issues. 

  Good flaws should work into the story and exacerbate conflict

  In the story that I'm writing, his good personality traits are the reason why he's in his predicament in the first place. It's the reason why he takes a huge detour in his original plans.  If he was an asshat, he would have walked away and his life would've been much easier.

  They have to hinder the story, or be something the villain can exploit.

  Wanting to do the right thing can hinder the progress of the character's story. Being honorable can definitely be something the villain can exploit. Aelberon is captured because his foes exploit his sense of honor, that he won't sacrifice innocent lives. Pesky tenets! Gotta follow those...

  A character flaw is just that, something inherrent within a character's personality that is neither desirable nor useful to the general viewing eye.

  I think positive personality traits can also be bent to become rather potent characters flaws. I do agree that it has to be inherent within the character's personality and that while it is not necessarily undesirable, it can lead to undesirable things happening to that character.  Sometimes, also, a positive personality trait can also not be useful. Who wants that attack of conscience when you're robbing the little old lady who has less than you?
  

  It’s an imperfection of a character. I suppose there’s a fine line between a character trait and a flaw. Could something be both?

  I agree, an imperfection of a character and yes, I think that they can sometimes be both. I loved the response (Sotek) that said "dent in your armor." It makes the job harder to do. Positive personality traits can sometimes make jobs harder to do, it can impede a character, it can force a character to take a much more difficult path to achieve their goals. 

  What if your character can't overcome their flaws? Then you haves... 

  Tragic flaw is a literary device that can be defined as a trait in a character leading to his downfall and the character is often the hero of the literary piece. This trait could be the lack of self-knowledge, lack of judgment and often it is hubris (pride).

  A lot of top notch literature has been built on the idea of the tragic flaw. 

  Trying to type a coherent response to this topic at 4:30am is also a tragic flaw. 

  Just thought I'd spin this conversation in a different direction. Again, I don't disagree with anything anybody said, I just think that flaws can be applied to positive personality traits as well and this can impact a story in a very interesting way. 

  I really struggled with this topic, because all of the above were valid points, and I agree with them, so what was I going to contribute to this conversation? Then I was explaining some plot points of Straag Rod to my sister (good ol' Sisterbane to some here, the typo hunter), and my response to this topic found itself. 

  The running theme for many of the responses was the emphasis on the flaw being an undesirable trait. Something bad to overcome. Loved the "enjoy souls crumbling to dust" reference. What if, instead, the flaw is a desirable trait carried to the extreme that it then fulfills all the requirements of a character flaw.  Like, for example, inherent goodness or honesty or integrity. Goodness, honesty, integrity? Lissette, what are you talking about? How can those be flaws? You cray cray.

  Hear me out. 

  Issues of thought or personality.

  Honesty, Integrity, Goodness certainly fill the above requirement. They can certainly be issues. 

  Good flaws should work into the story and exacerbate conflict

  In the story that I'm writing, his good personality traits are the reason why he's in his predicament in the first place. It's the reason why he takes a huge detour in his original plans.  If he was an asshat, he would have walked away and his life would've been much easier.

  They have to hinder the story, or be something the villain can exploit.

  Wanting to do the right thing can hinder the progress of the character's story. Being honorable can definitely be something the villain can exploit. Aelberon is captured because his foes exploit his sense of honor, that he won't sacrifice innocent lives. Pesky tenets! Gotta follow those...

  A character flaw is just that, something inherrent within a character's personality that is neither desirable nor useful to the general viewing eye.

  I think positive personality traits can also be bent to become rather potent characters flaws. I do agree that it has to be inherent within the character's personality and that while it is not necessarily undesirable, it can lead to undesirable things happening to that character.  Sometimes, also, a positive personality trait can also not be useful. Who wants that attack of conscience when you're robbing the little old lady who has less than you?
  

  It’s an imperfection of a character. I suppose there’s a fine line between a character trait and a flaw. Could something be both?

  I agree, an imperfection of a character and yes, I think that they can sometimes be both. I loved the response (Sotek) that said "dent in your armor." It makes the job harder to do. Positive personality traits can sometimes make jobs harder to do, it can impede a character, it can force a character to take a much more difficult path to achieve their goals. 

  What if your character can't overcome their flaws? Then you haves... 

  Tragic flaw is a literary device that can be defined as a trait in a character leading to his downfall and the character is often the hero of the literary piece. This trait could be the lack of self-knowledge, lack of judgment and often it is hubris (pride).

  A lot of top notch literature has been built on the idea of the tragic flaw. 

  Trying to type a coherent response to this topic at 4:30am is also a tragic flaw. 

  Just thought I'd spin this conversation in a different direction. Again, I don't disagree with anything anybody said, I just think that flaws can be applied to positive personality traits as well and this can impact a story in a very interesting way. 

• Okan-Zeeus

  

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  December 1, 2015

  I can see how a desirable trait can cause problems for a character. I'm curious, though, as to how that makes it a flaw. Is it a flaw to not want to kill, while being forced into situations that require it? This ties in to the notion of a character's moral compass. Is a character willing to bend their morals or become the thing they hate in order to achieve a goal or greater good? I agree that a character can experience hardships because of positive traits. To say that this makes their good quality a flaw, though, is like blaming the victim. It's more of a weakness. For me, a flaw should straight up be something BAD. Something wrong. It can be FIXED, corrected. If a protagonist values life, and this makes their journey harder, how does that get fixed? By not valuing life anymore? By only valuing it SOMETIMES? Being too forgiving or too generous are flaws. They're extremes. But a positive trait in and of itself shouldn't be considered a flaw. It just might not be right for every situation.

  I can see how a desirable trait can cause problems for a character. I'm curious, though, as to how that makes it a flaw. Is it a flaw to not want to kill, while being forced into situations that require it? This ties in to the notion of a character's moral compass. Is a character willing to bend their morals or become the thing they hate in order to achieve a goal or greater good? I agree that a character can experience hardships because of positive traits. To say that this makes their good quality a flaw, though, is like blaming the victim. It's more of a weakness. For me, a flaw should straight up be something BAD. Something wrong. It can be FIXED, corrected. If a protagonist values life, and this makes their journey harder, how does that get fixed? By not valuing life anymore? By only valuing it SOMETIMES? Being too forgiving or too generous are flaws. They're extremes. But a positive trait in and of itself shouldn't be considered a flaw. It just might not be right for every situation.
• The Long-Chapper

  

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  December 1, 2015

  LOL, I don't know, wrote this at 4:30am, remember?    It was just a tangent I jumped on when I noticed that everyone was talking about how bad traits could elicit these ideas. I used quotes to illustrate how good traits could be spun this way as well. 

  I think cultural differences can flip a good trait on its head, don't you? What can be a good trait to one culture can be a bad trait to another.   Like a martial society would perhaps see not wanting to kill as a flaw, whereas a culture that values peace would see it as a positive trait.  Now let this protagonist then travel between these lands and watch how their traits are perceived. A positive trait can also be seen as a flaw by those around the protagonist. Other characters. Flaws can be perceived by other characters, right?

  And yes, you could well fix it by valuing it sometimes, or even completely changing your stance on it. Don't some protagonists do just that? And I'm not talking heroes. They justify who lives and who dies based on their moral compass?  And if you don't fix it, it, in my eyes, it can potentially become a tragic flaw, which can lead to the character downfall. Or it doesn't lead to this. 

  For you it can be something straight up bad, for me, I like to be more flexible or at least expand the way I can use these tools. Perhaps I am wrong in thinking this, but was just stating my opinion and opening dialogue in a different direction. 

  LOL, I don't know, wrote this at 4:30am, remember?    It was just a tangent I jumped on when I noticed that everyone was talking about how bad traits could elicit these ideas. I used quotes to illustrate how good traits could be spun this way as well. 

  I think cultural differences can flip a good trait on its head, don't you? What can be a good trait to one culture can be a bad trait to another.   Like a martial society would perhaps see not wanting to kill as a flaw, whereas a culture that values peace would see it as a positive trait.  Now let this protagonist then travel between these lands and watch how their traits are perceived. A positive trait can also be seen as a flaw by those around the protagonist. Other characters. Flaws can be perceived by other characters, right?

  And yes, you could well fix it by valuing it sometimes, or even completely changing your stance on it. Don't some protagonists do just that? And I'm not talking heroes. They justify who lives and who dies based on their moral compass?  And if you don't fix it, it, in my eyes, it can potentially become a tragic flaw, which can lead to the character downfall. Or it doesn't lead to this. 

  For you it can be something straight up bad, for me, I like to be more flexible or at least expand the way I can use these tools. Perhaps I am wrong in thinking this, but was just stating my opinion and opening dialogue in a different direction. 

• Okan-Zeeus

  

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  December 1, 2015

  Sure, sure! I just wanted to see what else you had on the subject. You bring up a good point with cultural differences. That can definitely play a role in what is considered a flaw. 

  Sure, sure! I just wanted to see what else you had on the subject. You bring up a good point with cultural differences. That can definitely play a role in what is considered a flaw. 

• Accursed

  

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  December 1, 2015

  I see that. Often times the ancient Greek myths toyed with that idea; one cliche is caring for loved ones to fault, to where they matter more to you than anything else, even saving the rest of the world or whatever is at stake.

  I see that. Often times the ancient Greek myths toyed with that idea; one cliche is caring for loved ones to fault, to where they matter more to you than anything else, even saving the rest of the world or whatever is at stake.