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Writers Discuss - Death (#19)

  • Member
    October 29, 2015

    Writers Discuss

    Topic #19 – Death

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    Whoops! I forgot to post this earlier. Sorry to anyone who was waiting for this discussion. I got distracted (with a nap). :P

    Since there have been some scattered discussions on this topic, let's make it official! This week's discussion is on death. Specifically, knowing how and when to kill characters.

    Here are some questions to consider:

    When is it good to kill a character?

    When is it bad to kill a character?

    How do you make a death impactful/important?

    Do you ever actively think about killing characters in planning?

    BONUS QUESTION

    How do you yourself emotionally deal with killing your characters?

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  • Member
    October 29, 2015

    Killing a character and emotionally investing in your character leaves a recipe for a heart-crushing blow on the reader, and that is why the author of Game of Thrones has become so successful. He succeeds not only in killing minor characters but also in major characters--sometimes, the latter is far more impacting. Yet, specifying a time in which it is beneficial to kill a character is... difficult.

    All of us, at some point of our lives, will experience tragedy at some point. I couldn't get more pessimistic than that, but to be realistic is to be prepared for the lows of life. Usually, death occurs when we least expect it. Sometimes, death is expected, during the time your grandmother is suffering from an ailment, which she has endured for years. Time will only tell when more elderly folk will pass on, and it becomes less of an alarm. However, during the times of chaos, your friend may die from a unpredictable car accident. There is no preempting for her death; it is immediate. No foreshadowing awaited you prior to her death.

    And so, I think it is less of the time of when a character dies that weighs heavily on importance; it is how and why.

    It is good, most of the time, when a character's death is unexpected. It shocks the other characters, as well as the reader themselves. If it causes an emotional blow on the character, all the better. Expected deaths can also be written with a skilled hand. I once read a story where the enemy of the main character was struck with terminal cancer. Wrought with the need to stay by his enemy's side for his last weeks, they bonded. Not as friends, but not as enemies either. A raw emotion bound them; a moral and compassionate choice to comfort another dying human being.  I expected no different when the enemy died, but that didn't stop me from crying like a baby for an hour. It was well-established tragedy. In conclusion, I think it's wise to kill a character when it causes an emotional response or perhaps to bring the next set of actions in motion.

    bad way to kill a character usually involves very cliche endings. The character dies just before he was about to relay information. The character dies after he and another main character finished a heated fight/debate. There was no tactical reason for the enemy to kill the main character's friend, but he did it anyway to waste resources. Mainly when there is no tact for the character's death. OR! (Oh, this is one of my pet peeves.) When the character so obviously will survive through the ordeal, but the main character thinks they're dead anyway. I could list others. A character coming back to life, for one. It sometimes loses the emotional impact it could have had on the reader.

    Now, there are always exceptions. I've read several stories where the story is so beautifully pieced together, I don't mind if I touch a cliche death or two. Just because the action is labeled under "cliche" doesn't mean you shouldn't consider it. Occasionally, it's what makes a story all the better. But I'll not mention that too much.

    I have always thought of the death of a character prior to killing them. I'm a planner, and like to plan from every angle. How will the death effect the others? Do I kill the main character? How will the opposition react? Who will take advantage of that death? Sometimes not all of these questions are answered. Sometimes I trash the thought of killing the character, because it means nothing; it doesn't even provide the message that death seems pointless. But it's mainly all due to personal preference, and others have different reasoning than myself. 

    Bonus Question:

    Oh, it's difficult. I've fallen in love with many characters I forced myself to kill. Once, I was so sad of their death, I brought them back to life--a poor choice on my part. 

    I think to kill a character is to connect with them as an author, but not so much that you're compelled to make their death a tragedy of the ages. It makes the death far too dramatic, which usually drains the emotion and pain of the death, and makes the tragedy stale for the reader. I've come to terms with killing my characters, but in knowing that they'll die, I'll invest in the time that I have with them.

    To make a death more painful is to make their life more beautiful.

  • Member
    October 29, 2015

    I'm a very tragedy-centered writer. The vast majority of my stories have death and I've killed a lot of people. Including my short story about WWII that I wrote last year, a few dozen died in a page alone. Discounting that, probably about 10 named characters.

    A good character death-time is when it makes sense. When, in a way, you've planned this character's death, that is when their usefulness is over. That sounds harsh, but what I mean by that is this; if that character was always going to die, find a good time to do it where the story won't require them to continue.

    Good times to do this are hard to describe, as for every story it is different based on the plot. Often times they trigger the climax, and often times it's hard on both reader and author. The perfect time will flow naturally, and will most likely have given time to realize that the character probably won't make it. Sometimes, though, death without warning works well.

    Bad times are often randomly placed and serve no purpose for the plot. These are just deaths for the sake of deaths. You'll know when death is poorly placed.

    How to make death impactful? Give the character a reason to be alive. Think of it this way. Every Frodo has their Sam. Sams give motivation, they act as threshold guardians who help their Frodo along the way. But if a Sam were to die, and in doing so leave their Frodo to their own devices (or the devices of the rest of their fellowship), that makes things impactful and important. That serves a worthy purpose.

    And, of course I actively plan character deaths! I have half-written chapters with every character death on my computer right now.

    Bonus Round!

    Sometimes it can be hard, but when I've planned that character to die (or raised them like a pig for slaughter, as Severus would say) I enjoy the parts of their life I have with them. Sometimes it's easy, especially with douche-y characters. (I'm looking at you, General der Infantrie Wolke. [Main villain of that WWII short story I mentioned]).

  • Member
    October 29, 2015

    Death, just like in life, is a key element of every story. It shapes heroes and villains alike, brings people together and pushes them apart. Honestly I think it is outright essential.

    However I don't really think there is a good time to kill a character, except when the plot calls for it of course. And even then it is important to keep in mind how or why the character in question dies. To simplify things I will divide the ways you can kill off a character in two ways: you can give them an abrupt and unexpected death or an expected one.

    To me, both of these categories shine in different ways.

    The expected death often occurs when a character dies of old age, disease (often the chronic kind), a long foreseen natural disaster or even by an assassination of some kind (if the reader was in on the plot). A little side note though, while they are "expected" that does not mean they can't be bloody and abrupt, it can take a long time for someone to finally succomb to a disease but it often takes but a fraction of a second to get killed by a natural disaster.
    What I most appreciate of this kind of deaths is that they tend to be more moving, inciting feelings like sadness and to a certain degree despair. But also how they allow the reader to accompany the character in question or an observer in the preparation of death. See their denial, their sadness, their hope, their despair and eventually how they pass on, or not. I myself recently came to the conclusion that my grandparents were getting old, while it may seem stupid it just kinda hit me in the face some day and that revelation was horrifying. Sometimes knowing that someone dies can be far more horrifying than to be taken by surprise. And I honestly would love to portray that in a way that it does the feeling justice.

    The abrupt death can be a part of a plot twist, a slight change of advantages in battle, a stupid cabbage-cart accident, or tumbling down a mountain upon hitting a stray bone with your great toe (sounds familiar anyone?). As long as there is little way to foresee it, it fits into the category. Yet again, it does not mean it has to be bloody, I believe it might just be far more impactful to see someone collapse without any apparent reason.
    What is important to keep in mind about this kind of death is that it brings up a whole different set of feelings than an expected death, an abrupt end incites denial, anger, or despair into the observer (or of course joy depending on your point of view, ASOI&F does that like a charm). But most importantly, it pushes more obvious feelings to the background if even for the space of seconds, sadness is reserved for the aftermath.

    The next thing we will reach onto is why you kill off characters. Let's first make one important thing clear: killing a character just for the sake of it tends to not be a good idea.
    The most obvious choice would be to advance the plot, but if you decide to go with this be sure the death has conséquences. Or show some character progression.

    The death of someone dear to a character can make a powerful, if perhaps a somewhat overused, motive to push the story forwards, and sometimes the dead of a character can bring up important questions or on the opposite answer said questions. If there is one thing to avoid it would probably be something similar to what Sildriel mentioned:

    "There was no tactical reason for the enemy to kill the main character's friend, but he did it anyway to waste resources"

    While this is just one example of a "bad" death, there are many more but most of the time even a somewhat cliché or overall bad death can be incorporated into the rest of the story like a true miracle, so I would say it depends on the skill of the writer.

    There are many ways to incorporate a death in a story to make it impactful and/or important. I would personnaly say that any death that has a lasting impact on a character's psyche can be considered to be at the very least mildly good, especially if it's not directly visibile in what way that death will influence the character further down the line. A good trick to make your readers feel like the death was important is to make them have a connection with the deceased, be it in a good or bad way, if they bond with the character they will be frustrated or tearing at least (Yes, I speak of experience as a reader, what of it?)

    However my absolute favourite is to leave a complete void after a sacrifice if the dead character was the only observer the reader gets to know. After all the hero doesn't get to see if his sacrifice was worth it.

    As an amateur writer, I do in fact plan the deaths of most of my characters, it's an important fact of life that one eventually dies, that does however not mean that they die while the story unfolds. They could die in the midst of a turning battle or die peacefully in their beds once the danger is avoided. Even if I'm afraid I might not take it very well if a character I put a lot of attention in does indeed die, after all I've grown to see them as close friend-ish people(?) and have really grown attached to the characters from my WIP(on hiatus) novel. They would need to have a good death if I were to accept it.

    Now that I answered the given questions, I would like to ask one for myself:

    What do you guys think of the concept of immortality (or a very long life span) when writing? How do your characters cope with such a thing and what are the pros and cons of writing such a character?

  • Member
    October 30, 2015

    I like your question at the end! I'll refrain from answering it though, if it becomes a writers' discussion later on.

  • October 30, 2015

    I also like you last question, Teineeva, as my current character is rather old and I would be interested in exploring such a topic. I'm with Sildriel on this, wanna answer, but... will wait and see whether this develops into a future discussion. 

  • Member
    October 30, 2015

    Guess who the "or a very long life span" was aimed at?

  • November 1, 2015

    Ha, yeah, I wonder. He is an old Fart, isn't he? 

    Death and dying. My thoughts on the subject and how to approach it in writing isn't much different than what others have posted so I'm not sure what else I would offer on the subject. I'll say a few words, though.

    The death of an enemy is something I will mention. Not a major enemy, but sometimes minor ones. On occasion, I like to give those a bit more time, some more consideration. Depends on the situation. 

    I am big on death having a lasting impact on our characters. Months later or years later, if a character who passed meant anything, they should still be mentioned. There are stages in grief and then, there are finally the lapses into just remembering them. 

    Don't really have anything else to add that hasn't been said. Use your own feelings.  For me, death, especially one that means something in your narrative is a time, in my humble opinion, to write with the gut and the heart, and not necessarily so much of the brain. 

  • Member
    November 4, 2015

    I'm going to copy/paste some stuff I said in a different discussion that's relevant here. I'll also throw in a couple more points at the end.

    With the popularity of stories like Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead, character deaths are a subject that have become a bit trendy of late.

    Deaths that can happen at any time are gutsy and certainly add tension to the story. I'm a fan of The Walking Dead myself and I've greatly enjoyed the series. Of course, deaths like this only really work if they fit the genre of your story.

    While having characters die at any point in any way is true to real life, there's still that nagging thought that whispers in the back of my head - it isn't real. Because when a fictional character in a story dies, its not because of circumstances. It's because someone wrote the death in the script.

    One thing that drives me up the walls is when a writer kills off characters just because they can. Or simply because the audience won't expect it. Surprise is fine and dandy, but once you consider the real lack of depth and consideration that goes into a death like that, it just feels... cheap.

    I guess my point is this: killing a character is easy. It's very easy. What makes a death impactful, however, is everything that comes before it. Life is what makes a story. Not death.

    We as writers need to remember this. Death has an important place in writing and how you use it depends on the kind of story you want to tell.

    'Heroes always lose' isn't any better than 'heroes always win' to me. I don't really mind if I know the protagonist will prevail in the end. For me it's about the journey, not the destination. An ending you can tell in a sentence, but a story fills a book.

    If I'm certain the hero is going to be victorious and not die, I like it when stories show the cost of their victory. Not every hero who wins gets a happy ending.

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    One thing we need to bear in mind about character deaths is this: are we killing characters purely to mess with reader emotions? It's sort of the difference between being a clockwork god and a murderer in your universe. You should really ask yourself why you're killing your characters and what purpose it serves.

  • Member
    November 4, 2015

    I love your explanation. It makes a lot more sense the way you put everything together; specifically the reason of a character's death.

    Life is what makes a story. Not death.

    Now that's gold.