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Writers Discuss - Use of Prose (#11)

  • Member
    September 2, 2015

    Writers Discuss

    Topic #11 – Use of Prose

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    Here's our next discussion, and this one's on a very broad topic: PROSE. There are a lot of things under this umbrella, so we can always narrow down the discussion if need be.

    What is prose?

    Why is having good prose important?

    What are some different elements of prose?

    What can we do to improve prose?

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    If you have any suggestions for future topics include them in the comments section!

    (Thanks to Sildriel for suggesting this week's topic!) 

  • Member
    September 2, 2015

    For us writers, prose is written language without metrical structure (in contrast to poetry). It’s your writing. Prose is not the story itself, but the vessel that transmits the story.

    Prose is the first thing someone sees when they look at your writing. You can have the most brilliant and intricately thought-out plot with amazing characters and settings, but if your prose is straight dirt, that’s going to handicap your readership. If a reader doesn’t like your prose or can't understand it, they’ll more than likely stop reading. Your prose makes a crucial first impression.

     

    The most basic elements of prose are TENSE and VIEWPOINTS. We had a discussion on viewpoints a few weeks back if you want to check it out. If you don’t know what tense is, or what the different types of tense are, do some research. Trust me, this is all really important.

    Your tense and viewpoint need to be spot on. They’re the bare essentials of prose.

    If you try to write a story in a past-progressive tense, but then use the sentence “He walks over to the tree…” guess what? Something’s wrong and you need to fix it. A good writer should reach a point where correct tense and viewpoint come instinctually.

    Beyond tense and viewpoint, there are three other major components of prose: dialogue, description, and blocking.

     

    DIALOGUE is speech (or thought) that is physically produced by characters.

                    Ex: “I told you to never come back!”

    DESCRIPTION is when you present information about people, places, objects or actions in the world.

                    Ex: Her hair was drenched in cold rainwater.

    BLOCKING is when you tell the reader where the characters are, where the scenery is, and how these things are interacting.

                    Ex: John stood in the doorway, looking down at Amber.

     

    These three components combine to create EXPOSITION, which serves to answer questions that the reader is asking.

    In other words, you want to provide exposition in the order that readers will inevitably ask certain questions. (Where is he standing? In the garden. What is he doing? Digging a hole in the dirt. Why is he doing that? To bury the body.) The needs of a story should dictate what actually needs to be shown or explained.

    You want to strike a good balance between dialogue, description, and blocking. Well-written exposition can go a long way to making your story more readable.

     

    Generally you want to make every element of your prose do double or triple duty. Don’t just describe a scene, for instance – describe how your character reacts to the scene or how it makes them feel. Develop character, advance the action, give contextual clues, reference past or future events, do multiple things at a time! This will serve to make your writing richer.

     

    One last concept I’d like to share is the Pyramid of Abstraction (just picture a pyramid in your head for this). You have your foundation at the very bottom of the pyramid – concrete details, things that the reader will understand easily. From there, you can build up to more abstract thoughts or ideas.

    Here’s an example: you show a character walking into a building. The character hears a dripping sound and notices that there’s a pipe leaking from the ceiling. He can see reflections in the puddle of water that’s gathered on the floor and thinks to himself, “I really need to fix that thing already.” You mention he’s known about the leak for days. This detail says something about the character, who just so happens to be a plumber.

    By starting with the image of the dripping water and the puddle, you establish something concrete. This then transitions into the character’s thoughts, which are more abstract. If you’re going to present abstract information, you should try to have something concrete as the foundation for it.

    Dialogue is very abstract. When I want to do a back-and-forth conversation between characters, I usually start by establishing concrete details – what the setting is, what the characters are doing, etc. After that, I’ll begin some dialogue and break it up with beats.* If the conversation starts getting serious or intense, I’ll gradually reduce the number of beats between pieces of dialogue, until it’s just line after line of continuous dialogue. Fewer beats means faster dialogue. I can purposefully increase the tempo of a conversation by manipulating what details get mentioned and when.

    *Beats are little descriptions in the story that say things like “He walked to the other side of the room.”

     

    That’s about all I’ve got for now. There are plenty of other topics like adjective/adverb use, so feel free to bring up whatever stuff I didn’t cover here.

  • Member
    September 2, 2015

    I'm kinda short on time, so here are some very simple answers;

    1). Prose is any writing or speech without a rhythmic structure. That mainly includes poetry, though there are some exceptions.

    2). Prose is almost every form of writing. Without good prose, things can become unclear in meaning, muddled, and confusing. Every writer needs good prose.

    3). It depends on the intent. In Tamriel Tales, the intent is a story, so they are the elements of story/fiction writing. It also includes grammar, spelling, etc.

    4). Practice. The more you write, the better you will become. Study grammar and spelling to make sure you're getting it right.

  • Member
    September 2, 2015

    Wouldn't the title be (#11) instead of 10?

  • Member
    September 2, 2015

    Sure. That's why it's 11 and not 10. What are you talking about? >.>'

    *cough*

  • Member
    September 2, 2015

    Man, I don't know how I can top this... You say it so beautifully. Nice job once more!

  • Member
    September 2, 2015

    *sweats nervously*

    So... I suggested this without taking any consideration as to how to answer it. Good job, Sil. Good job.

    In light of that, I'll waver albeit out of the questions because I find it difficult to answer them. I'll try my best--definitely--but I doubt it'll actually get any where. *indignant huff* Okay, here we go:

    Prose is the style of writing an author possesses; it's the combining of words and phrases as to how that specific author places them. For example: I don't write in modern language and sentence structure. I'm sure if I had ever spoken in the way that I write, I'd be beaten by the jocks. I use a lot of complex sentences, and accenting simple sentences to build up tension or finality. Prose is basically how one writes; it's the style of writing.

    Okan explained this perfectly: Prose is the first thing a reader notices. Before the plot comes along, before we learn an ounce about the character, we always read the words to form the story in our heads. And if the prose "is straight dirt", then the reader won't bother reading it, no matter how incredible the story itself may be.

    It also creates a feel of the story. For example: I write in older English because the majority of my stories take place in old medieval times. It gives the story that extra archaic feeling, of a time where people didn't speak as we do now. Now, I can completely ruin the story by going too archaic (I almost breached that point not too long ago, and now I'm starting to pull back), to the point where barely anyone can understand it and just put the book down. No one wants to read a story where you can't understand it, or you can tell the writer is trying WAY too hard to prove their intelligence. 

    (I'm going to skip question 3 because Okan described it too perfectly, and also because I hadn't considered the "elements" of prose.) But I will talk about adjectives and adverbs.

    I used to have a writer's club at my school, and my English teacher continuously stressed on one thing that I always misunderstood. He emphasized on the lack of adjectives and adverbs. He almost called them the enemy of writing.

    When I first heard, I was a little annoyed. After all, adjectives and adverbs were there for a reason, right? 

    You thought I was going to say "wrong"? No.

    It's true. Adjectives and adverbs have a purpose in writing. However, there should not be more adjectives than nouns and verbs combined. 

    I made this mistake when I was writing a while ago. All I emphasized on was adjectives--the description of the nouns--and adverbs. They began to pile up because I couldn't think of the proper word to use. My vocabulary hadn't developed as much, and my prose was getting cluttered with description. It looked like I was trying too hard to sound poetic, and I suffered because of it.

    I've begun to change my prose--with experimentation and such--and it's been difficult work. Sometimes the new idea I improvise completely plummets. And that can get frustrating at times. But I am trying to develop it more into what I want to read in a story. I change the amount of verbs, of adjectives, of action, of description, in order to see how it affects the story. It's quite fun to do actually.

  • Member
    September 2, 2015

    Oh! Silly me. My glasses must have been smeared. 

    I see how it is.

  • Member
    September 2, 2015

    Good that you're experimenting! That's really the key. My writing goes through plenty of iterations and I just keep trying different things until I find something that works.

    Adjectives and adverbs are like fine seasoning. Use just the right amount and they'll improve the flavor, but dump on too much and they'll overwhelm the dish.

    I used to overuse adjectives and adverbs myself as well. The problem is, they show the reader no pity. Remember that adjectives and adverbs add more information to a description. The more information you dump, the harder it is to remember it all. You can literally bury your descriptions in adjectives and adverbs.

  • Member
    September 2, 2015

    I agree.  Experimenting prose has been fun, but it can be bloody difficult.