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Daedra Dossier: Mehrunes Dagon

  • Member
    August 25, 2015
    Tbh, I find it quite natural. Especially after seeing it going on like this in Armenia. Vast majority does not care or even know about political issues while the ruling elite is drastically different. Only it is more mild in ESO. :D
  • August 25, 2015
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  • Member
    August 25, 2015

    Hmm, not sure what to say to that.

    What's the deal between the Dominion and Camoran Anaxemes, whose bloodline had struck the pact with the Aldmeri Council in the first place ?

  • Member
    August 26, 2015

    What do you mean, what's the deal with them? You answered it yourself 

  • Member
    August 26, 2015

    Sorry Vaz, your reply seemed to be stuck in limbo between worlds so I didn't spot it until now.

    Specifically, what is so special about the Camoran bloodline that the Altmer would value? A couple of pages back I theorised that this bloodline could be Ayleidoon and that the Dawn Magics preserved by the Ayleids could be the reason for the Altmer's interest.  After our discussion that seems unlikely so I'm asking what the deal is exactly, why would the Altmer care about Bosmeri bloodlines enough to have a vested interest?

  • Member
    August 29, 2015

    Well, for one they were around since the year 0 of the First Era (Before the Ages of Man, Pocket Guide to the Empire, 3rd Edition/Valenwood). Their bloodline is one of the oldest on Nirn. That gave them some legitimacy for the claim of the Valenwood throne and that's why the Aldmeri Council chose to support them of the multitude of warring small kingdoms. In ESO they rule the Valenwood as a part of the Dominion. 

  • Member
    August 29, 2015

    Are there any other examples of ancient merish bloodlines? I mean, have a look at this from Last king of the Ayleids:

    ...most of the remaining Ayleids simply left Cyrodiil, eventually being absorbed into the Elven populations of Valenwood and High Rock Indeed, the rise of the Direnni Hegenomy may be linked to this exodus of Ayleids from Cyrodiil (a connection so far little studied by historians).

    There's the seed of the idea of of what I'm after. The Ayleids were a civilisation which was older than the Bosmer's, an empire which falls only three centuries after the founding of Valenwood. It is implied they are linked to the powerful Direnni, hell it's out righted hinted that they are the Direnni in that book.

    After looking at our previous discussions on the influence and cities built by the Ayleids in Valenwood, three hundred years is not a long time in the lives of mer and may indeed only represent one generation.

    I put it to you that the Ayleid ruins found in and around Valenwood predate the rise of the Bosmer.

  • Member
    August 29, 2015

    On Direnni being Ayleids, that's one possibility one might see in that quote. Another is that the Clan Direnni rose in power when one powerful rival was removed out of the picture. 

    More so, there is a distinct difference between the philosophy, culture and magic of Ayleids and Bosmer. One of ESO books touches that. You're going to like this... Aurbic Enigma 4: The Elden Tree

    Note the last section:

    Green-Sap's Elves welcomed the Ayleids so long as the Heartlanders agreed not to dissonate the greensong. All agreed to this save Anumaril, who coughed into his hand unnoticed. He asked the Great Camoran to show him Green-Sap, and was brought to one that by happenstance stood then in Elden Root. Once within the great graht he passed through a Door Equivocal and found his desire, the Perchance Acorn. It was one of many, but for Anumaril one was enough.
    Next the fanglement: Anumaril brought forth Segment One among the roots and showed it to the golden nut, and this told an ending, so that the stone became a Definite Acorn. That Elden Tree would not walk again, but Anumaril yet had further intentions for it. Using his dentition as tonal instruments, he dismantled his bones and built of them a Mundus-machine that mirrored Nirn and its planets. And when he had used all his substance in fangling this orrery, he placed the segment-sceptre within, hiding it between the Moons.
    Then he waited—but what he waited for did not eventuate, and perchance he's waiting yet. For Anumaril had hoped to convert Green-Sap into White-Gold, and thereby make the Heartlanders' realm anew. However, Anumaril did not know, and was not able to know, why his plan went awry. You see, Ayleid magic is about Will, and Shall, and Must—but under Green-Sap, all is Perchance.
    The Ayleid fangler's plan could not succeed—and yet neither could it fail. For this is a story that has not yet found its ending.

    Do you see what I'm getting at? The Bosmer entire lifestyle has evolved in such a way that outside influence barely affects it. It made them both weak and strong at the same time 

  • Member
    August 30, 2015

    Hehe, you gotta love this lore Conspiracy theories and history-changing lore can be concocted just by adding

    I think it's more than a coincidence that Clan Direnni rise to power at the same time the Ayleids lose theirs and the Alessian Order grows in power. There's cayse and effect there. Yet I get your point too.

    So who were the inhabitants of Valenwood before the Bosmer if not the Ayleids? The Bird Men from Father of the Niben?Maybe they just didn't go that far south.

    I always assumed they were Ayleids because in 2920 Last Year of the First Era that Dunmer chick is helped by a bird who transforms into a Heartland High Elf...

  • Member
    August 30, 2015

    Yeah, pretty much lol 

    I'm quite certain that it was not a Bosmer who helped Turala in 2920 Last Year of the First Era, since the Green Pact strictly forbids shapeshifting and those who break it are either stuck in that form (Wild Hunt) or are afflicted by some disease (werewolves). 

    As for who lived in Valenwood back then, it might as well been the Bosmer before the Pact. 

    Once, there was nothing but formlessness. The land held no shape, the trees did not harden into timber and bark, and the Elves themselves shifted from form to form. This formlessness was called the Ooze.

    The Ooze: A Fable