So here's an old project from September '14 which I started but never finished. I thought it could be interesting to look at the Imperial race by examining the spread of Colovian and Nibenay surnames in order to see if it proves or disapproves the old argument "Imperial isn't a race."
To those not as familiar with this theme, there was at one time a recurring discussion that the race known as Imperial is actually a culture made up of two distinct races, the Colovians of the west and the Nibenese of the east. I thought more insight could be shed on this if we examined the spread of names. The Roman style names are considered Nibenese, while the more consonant-heavy names are Colovian in origin. By taking a peak at the regions of Cyrodiil and the names of their inhabitants, I was curious to see if there was an equal spread of Colovians in the east as there are Nibenese in the west.
Below is the list, never completed. Maybe someone can finish it or simply interpret the findings as either for, against or inconclusive in proving Imperials are in fact a legitimate race. Can you see a trend indicating an equal spread of Colvian style names in the eastern counties or Nibenese names in the western cities? Or do you perhaps think such an analysis is a waste of time due to the complexity of the genealogies not translating into a game world?
Imperial City:
Carmana Sintav, Cryonin Sintav, Iniel Sintav, Jastia Sintav Jena Sintav, Vontan Sintav = Colovian
Andreas Draconis, Sibylla Draconis= Nibenese
Atinia Atius, Hekvo Atius, Severius Atius = Nibenese
Bronsila Kvinchal, Vlanarus Kvinchal, Kastav Kvinchal = Colovian
Praxedes Afranius, Surius Afranius = Nibenese
Cicero Verus, Sergius Verus, Turtullian Verus = Nibenese
Amantius Allectus, Caula Allectus = Nibenese
Ley Marillin, Prista Marillin = Colovian (?)
Ida Ottus = Nibenese
Alessia Ottus (wife of Breton Hastrel Ottus) = Nibenese and Colovian
Viator Accius = Nibenese
Dynari Amnis = Nibenese
Ysabel Andronicus = Nibenese
Velan Andus = Colovian
Luther Broad = Colovian
Claudius Arcadia = Nibenese
Audens Avidius = Nibenese
Gemellus Axius - Nibenese
Augusta Calidia = Nibenese
Marinus Catiotus = Nibenese
Herminia Cinna = Nibenese (?)
Giovanni Civello = Nibenese
Adrian Decanius = Nibenese
Trenus Duronius = Nibenese
Romana Faleria = Nibenese
Tertius Favonius = Nibenese
Brielus Gawey = Colovian
Itius Hayn = Colovian
Velus Hosidius = Nibenese
Irlav Jarol = Colovian
Renee Geonette (Wife of Breton Saloman Geonette) = Unknown
Ris Fralmoton = Colovian (?)
Martina Floria = Nibenese
Pennus Mallius = Nibenese
Vincia Melissaeia = Nibenese
Adamus Phillida = Nibenese
Raminus Polus = Nibenese
Servatius Quintilius = Nibenese
Isa Raman = Colovian
Marana Rian = Colovian
Maro Rufus = Colovian
Schlera Sestius - Pell's Gate, Imp C Region = Nibenese
Restita Statlilia = Nibenese
Carmalo Truiand = Nibenese
Ontus Vanin = Colovian
Stantus Varrid = Colovian
Collatinus Vedius = Nibenese
Ida Vlinorman = Colovian
So that's the population of Imperials residing in the Imperial City and it seems like the Nibenese have a slight majority there. Of course, this may just indicate a rise in Nibenese naming trends as they grow in popularity, but without any evidence of that all we can do is speculate.
What do you think? Disagree with any of my classifications?
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Caelia Draconis - Leyawin
Perennia Draconis - West of Bruma
Sibylla Draconis - Imp C / Cheydinhal
Antus Odiil - Choral
Rallus Odiil - Choral
Valus Odiil - Choral
Janonia Aurunceia - Leyawin
Januarius Aurunceia - Leyawin
Lorgren Benirus - Anvil
Velwyn Benirus - Anvil
Rena Bruiant - Chorral
Rimalus Bruiant - Chorral
Marius Caro - Leyawin
Alessia Caro - Leyawin
Vilena Donton - Choral
Viranus Donton - Choral
Viranus Donton - Choral
Jirolin Doran - Choral
Janus Hassildor - Skingrad
Rona Hassildor - Skingrad
Britta Invel - Leyawin
Jaras Invel - Leyawin
Astia Inventius - Anvil
Pinarus Inventius - Anvil
Etira Moslin - Choral/Hackdirt
Vlanhonder Moslin - Choral/Hackdirt
Betto Plotius - Leyawin
Julitta Plotius - Leyawin
Jesan Sextius - Anvil
Toutius Sextius - Skingrad
Regulus Terentius - Bravil
Gellius Terentius - Bravil
Corvus Umbranox - Anvil
Millona Umbranox - Anvil
Valandrus Abor - Skingrad
Mariana Ancharia - Cheydinhal
Malintus Ancrus - Choral
Primo Antonius - Skingrad
Belisarius Arius - Bravil
Danus Artellian - Skingrad
Arnora Auria - Bruma
Aloys Bincal - Nibenay Basin/Cheydinhal
Tahm Blackwell - Anvil
Silana Blandia - Leyawin
Rusia Bradus - Anvil
Reman Broder - Skingrad
Jantus Brolus - Bruma
Marlena Brussiner - Hackdirt/Choral
Fadus Calidius - Skingrad
Lerexus Callidus - Leyawin
Brotch Calus - Bruma
Faustina Cartia - Anvil
Narina Carvain - Bruma
Helvius Cecia - Bruma
Kantav Cheynoslin - Leyawin
Inius Colus - Cheydinhal
Naspia Cosma - Cheydinal
Garrus Darelliun - Cheydinhal
Ilav Dralgoner - Kvatch
Selene Duronia - Anvil
Arentus Falvius - Bruma
Casta Flavus - Bruma County
Antus Flonius - Leyawin
Contumeliorus Florius - Choral
Rosentia Gallenus - Leyawin
Gruiand Garrana - Cheydinhal
Ormellius Goldwine - Kvatch
Menien Goneld - Kvatch
Amminus Gregori - Cheydinhal
Roliand Hanus - Anvil
Jiv Hiriel - Hackirt Count choral
Mercator Hosidus - Skingrad
Vontus Idolus - Skingrad
Berich Inian - Kvatch
Erina Jeranus - Skingrad
Dumania Jirich - Anvil
Viera Lerus - Bravil
Hieronymus Lex - Anvil
Tyrellius Logellus - Bravil
Camilla Lollia - Bruma
Bruscius Longus - County Bruma
Otius Loran - Choral
Lord Lovidicus - Anvil
Javolia Maborel - Skingrad
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Savlian Matius - kvatch
Aviera Nirol - Cheydinhal
Humilis Nonius - Bruma
Carodus Oholin - Leyawiin
Decentius Opsius - Leyawiin
Selena Orania - Bruma
Vlarimil Orius - Anvil (visiting)
Baszone Patneim - Anvil
Melus Petilius - Great Forest Region, Skingrad and Chorrol
Natch Pinder - Hackdirt. Chorrol
Vantus Prelius - Leyawiin
Gaius Prentus - Bravil
Ita Rienus - Bravil
Jesan Rilian - Kvatch
Lyra Rosentia- Bruma
Carius Runellius - Bruma
Plautis Rusonius - Colovian Highlands
Casta Scrib
So here's an old project from September '14 which I started but never finished. I thought it could be interesting to look at the Imperial race by examining the spread of Colovian and Nibenay surnames in order to see if it proves or disapproves the old argument "Imperial isn't a race."
To those not as familiar with this theme, there was at one time a recurring discussion that the race known as Imperial is actually a culture made up of two distinct races, the Colovians of the west and the Nibenese of the east. I thought more insight could be shed on this if we examined the spread of names. The Roman style names are considered Nibenese, while the more consonant-heavy names are Colovian in origin. By taking a peak at the regions of Cyrodiil and the names of their inhabitants, I was curious to see if there was an equal spread of Colovians in the east as there are Nibenese in the west.
Below is the list, never completed. Maybe someone can finish it or simply interpret the findings as either for, against or inconclusive in proving Imperials are in fact a legitimate race. Can you see a trend indicating an equal spread of Colvian style names in the eastern counties or Nibenese names in the western cities? Or do you perhaps think such an analysis is a waste of time due to the complexity of the genealogies not translating into a game world?
Imperial City:
Carmana Sintav, Cryonin Sintav, Iniel Sintav, Jastia Sintav Jena Sintav, Vontan Sintav = Colovian
Andreas Draconis, Sibylla Draconis= Nibenese
Atinia Atius, Hekvo Atius, Severius Atius = Nibenese
Bronsila Kvinchal, Vlanarus Kvinchal, Kastav Kvinchal = Colovian
Praxedes Afranius, Surius Afranius = Nibenese
Cicero Verus, Sergius Verus, Turtullian Verus = Nibenese
Amantius Allectus, Caula Allectus = Nibenese
Ley Marillin, Prista Marillin = Colovian (?)
Ida Ottus = Nibenese
Alessia Ottus (wife of Breton Hastrel Ottus) = Nibenese and Colovian
Viator Accius = Nibenese
Dynari Amnis = Nibenese
Ysabel Andronicus = Nibenese
Velan Andus = Colovian
Luther Broad = Colovian
Claudius Arcadia = Nibenese
Audens Avidius = Nibenese
Gemellus Axius - Nibenese
Augusta Calidia = Nibenese
Marinus Catiotus = Nibenese
Herminia Cinna = Nibenese (?)
Giovanni Civello = Nibenese
Adrian Decanius = Nibenese
Trenus Duronius = Nibenese
Romana Faleria = Nibenese
Tertius Favonius = Nibenese
Brielus Gawey = Colovian
Itius Hayn = Colovian
Velus Hosidius = Nibenese
Irlav Jarol = Colovian
Renee Geonette (Wife of Breton Saloman Geonette) = Unknown
Ris Fralmoton = Colovian (?)
Martina Floria = Nibenese
Pennus Mallius = Nibenese
Vincia Melissaeia = Nibenese
Adamus Phillida = Nibenese
Raminus Polus = Nibenese
Servatius Quintilius = Nibenese
Isa Raman = Colovian
Marana Rian = Colovian
Maro Rufus = Colovian
Schlera Sestius - Pell's Gate, Imp C Region = Nibenese
Restita Statlilia = Nibenese
Carmalo Truiand = Nibenese
Ontus Vanin = Colovian
Stantus Varrid = Colovian
Collatinus Vedius = Nibenese
Ida Vlinorman = Colovian
So that's the population of Imperials residing in the Imperial City and it seems like the Nibenese have a slight majority there. Of course, this may just indicate a rise in Nibenese naming trends as they grow in popularity, but without any evidence of that all we can do is speculate.
What do you think? Disagree with any of my classifications?
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Caelia Draconis - Leyawin
Perennia Draconis - West of Bruma
Sibylla Draconis - Imp C / Cheydinhal
Antus Odiil - Choral
Rallus Odiil - Choral
Valus Odiil - Choral
Janonia Aurunceia - Leyawin
Januarius Aurunceia - Leyawin
Lorgren Benirus - Anvil
Velwyn Benirus - Anvil
Rena Bruiant - Chorral
Rimalus Bruiant - Chorral
Marius Caro - Leyawin
Alessia Caro - Leyawin
Vilena Donton - Choral
Viranus Donton - Choral
Viranus Donton - Choral
Jirolin Doran - Choral
Janus Hassildor - Skingrad
Rona Hassildor - Skingrad
Britta Invel - Leyawin
Jaras Invel - Leyawin
Astia Inventius - Anvil
Pinarus Inventius - Anvil
Etira Moslin - Choral/Hackdirt
Vlanhonder Moslin - Choral/Hackdirt
Betto Plotius - Leyawin
Julitta Plotius - Leyawin
Jesan Sextius - Anvil
Toutius Sextius - Skingrad
Regulus Terentius - Bravil
Gellius Terentius - Bravil
Corvus Umbranox - Anvil
Millona Umbranox - Anvil
Valandrus Abor - Skingrad
Mariana Ancharia - Cheydinhal
Malintus Ancrus - Choral
Primo Antonius - Skingrad
Belisarius Arius - Bravil
Danus Artellian - Skingrad
Arnora Auria - Bruma
Aloys Bincal - Nibenay Basin/Cheydinhal
Tahm Blackwell - Anvil
Silana Blandia - Leyawin
Rusia Bradus - Anvil
Reman Broder - Skingrad
Jantus Brolus - Bruma
Marlena Brussiner - Hackdirt/Choral
Fadus Calidius - Skingrad
Lerexus Callidus - Leyawin
Brotch Calus - Bruma
Faustina Cartia - Anvil
Narina Carvain - Bruma
Helvius Cecia - Bruma
Kantav Cheynoslin - Leyawin
Inius Colus - Cheydinhal
Naspia Cosma - Cheydinal
Garrus Darelliun - Cheydinhal
Ilav Dralgoner - Kvatch
Selene Duronia - Anvil
Arentus Falvius - Bruma
Casta Flavus - Bruma County
Antus Flonius - Leyawin
Contumeliorus Florius - Choral
Rosentia Gallenus - Leyawin
Gruiand Garrana - Cheydinhal
Ormellius Goldwine - Kvatch
Menien Goneld - Kvatch
Amminus Gregori - Cheydinhal
Roliand Hanus - Anvil
Jiv Hiriel - Hackirt Count choral
Mercator Hosidus - Skingrad
Vontus Idolus - Skingrad
Berich Inian - Kvatch
Erina Jeranus - Skingrad
Dumania Jirich - Anvil
Viera Lerus - Bravil
Hieronymus Lex - Anvil
Tyrellius Logellus - Bravil
Camilla Lollia - Bruma
Bruscius Longus - County Bruma
Otius Loran - Choral
Lord Lovidicus - Anvil
Javolia Maborel - Skingrad
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Savlian Matius - kvatch
Aviera Nirol - Cheydinhal
Humilis Nonius - Bruma
Carodus Oholin - Leyawiin
Decentius Opsius - Leyawiin
Selena Orania - Bruma
Vlarimil Orius - Anvil (visiting)
Baszone Patneim - Anvil
Melus Petilius - Great Forest Region, Skingrad and Chorrol
Natch Pinder - Hackdirt. Chorrol
Vantus Prelius - Leyawiin
Gaius Prentus - Bravil
Ita Rienus - Bravil
Jesan Rilian - Kvatch
Lyra Rosentia- Bruma
Carius Runellius - Bruma
Plautis Rusonius - Colovian Highlands
Casta Scrib
It´s Chorrol, Phil. Not Choral
This is why I hate Game/Lore differences. Lore gives you a certain line between Nibenese and Colovians, yet in game, no mention or whatever. They are all just Imperials. I myself would certainly like to see some differences between people from west and east in Oblivion.
It´s Chorrol, Phil. Not Choral
This is why I hate Game/Lore differences. Lore gives you a certain line between Nibenese and Colovians, yet in game, no mention or whatever. They are all just Imperials. I myself would certainly like to see some differences between people from west and east in Oblivion.
Yeah, I remember thinking about those spelling errors at the time of writing "must remember to correct them before posting." I guess I decided not to.
I think we have a different opinion on this issue. I was hoping to see an equal mix of Nibenese and Colovian names spread throughout the map, but a cursory glance at the list suggests that apart form the Imperial City the names remain largely confined to their respective areas.
Yeah, I remember thinking about those spelling errors at the time of writing "must remember to correct them before posting." I guess I decided not to.
I think we have a different opinion on this issue. I was hoping to see an equal mix of Nibenese and Colovian names spread throughout the map, but a cursory glance at the list suggests that apart form the Imperial City the names remain largely confined to their respective areas.
I haven't formulated an opinion on the matter yet; however, I'm watching this post in the hopes that I can be swayed one way or the other.
With that said, I'm not entirely sure that you can find a racial difference by looking at family names. Modern Imperials exist long after the Nibanay and Colovian tribesman were enslaved (and, therefore, separated from each other) by the Ayleids. The Alessian Empire brought a measure of unity for the race(s). It's fair to make the assumption that this kind of unified environment resulted much intermarrying among the tribes.
Of course, this points more toward the Imperials as being a unified "race" - perhaps not originally, but over the course of time.
I haven't formulated an opinion on the matter yet; however, I'm watching this post in the hopes that I can be swayed one way or the other.
With that said, I'm not entirely sure that you can find a racial difference by looking at family names. Modern Imperials exist long after the Nibanay and Colovian tribesman were enslaved (and, therefore, separated from each other) by the Ayleids. The Alessian Empire brought a measure of unity for the race(s). It's fair to make the assumption that this kind of unified environment resulted much intermarrying among the tribes.
Of course, this points more toward the Imperials as being a unified "race" - perhaps not originally, but over the course of time.
I'm in full agreement and this has been my stance on the issue whenever it raised it's head. There has been ample time since east and west's consolidation for a single, unified "race" to emerge.
Races make no sense anyway as all humans are of the same race. If Neanderthals still existed I think referring to them as a separate race would be the only factually correct use of the term. Regardless, it's funny how that works in terms of real life:
I am from the UK and know that as short a time as 1500 years ago this land was inhabited and many times by many different ethnic groups. Modern Englishmen are nothing if not mongrels but if this were a TES game we would be seen as a separate race from the French.
All that said and done, I'm disappointed by the lack of uniformity the names and geography seem to indicate in the above list. It looks as though these names actually match their expected locations nicely.
I'm in full agreement and this has been my stance on the issue whenever it raised it's head. There has been ample time since east and west's consolidation for a single, unified "race" to emerge.
Races make no sense anyway as all humans are of the same race. If Neanderthals still existed I think referring to them as a separate race would be the only factually correct use of the term. Regardless, it's funny how that works in terms of real life:
I am from the UK and know that as short a time as 1500 years ago this land was inhabited and many times by many different ethnic groups. Modern Englishmen are nothing if not mongrels but if this were a TES game we would be seen as a separate race from the French.
All that said and done, I'm disappointed by the lack of uniformity the names and geography seem to indicate in the above list. It looks as though these names actually match their expected locations nicely.
Races make no sense anyway as all humans are of the same race.
This is absolutely true. The better term would be "people group," bu that doesn't sound as catchy when taking about differing racial abilities and powers.
I am American, with Italian heritage. No one knows for sure where the modern Italians came from, but a growing percentage of anthropologists believe that Italians are not Romans. Hell, although Italian, my ancestral lineage contains northern European. Apparently, my family intermarried with the Normans (descendants of the Vikings) when they liberated southern Italy from the Moors and established the Kingdom of Sicily. Yet, my family still called themselves, Italian.
Races make no sense anyway as all humans are of the same race.
This is absolutely true. The better term would be "people group," bu that doesn't sound as catchy when taking about differing racial abilities and powers.
I am American, with Italian heritage. No one knows for sure where the modern Italians came from, but a growing percentage of anthropologists believe that Italians are not Romans. Hell, although Italian, my ancestral lineage contains northern European. Apparently, my family intermarried with the Normans (descendants of the Vikings) when they liberated southern Italy from the Moors and established the Kingdom of Sicily. Yet, my family still called themselves, Italian.
I've now compiled all the Imperial NPCs from Oblivion into one place, now all that remains is to count the number of Ninenese names in the west and Colovian names in the east to get a sense for the spread of the population. To do this I will simply cut the map in half, with Chorrol, Skingrad, Anvil and Kvatch in the west and Cheydinahl, Bruma, Leyawiin and Bravil in the east.
I will leave the Imperil City as one distinct region separate from the rest in order to represent the melting pot it should be.
I've now compiled all the Imperial NPCs from Oblivion into one place, now all that remains is to count the number of Ninenese names in the west and Colovian names in the east to get a sense for the spread of the population. To do this I will simply cut the map in half, with Chorrol, Skingrad, Anvil and Kvatch in the west and Cheydinahl, Bruma, Leyawiin and Bravil in the east.
I will leave the Imperil City as one distinct region separate from the rest in order to represent the melting pot it should be.