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Mara and the Ritual Stone

• Paws

  

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  April 19, 2015

  ESO presents the constellations with the ability to manifest themselves as conscious, sentient Celestial beings who are capable of speech, thoughts, desires, etc. In fact, the Thief was very concerned about its own safety as well the safety and well-being of Tamriel.

  Hell I like this, especially in light of Cinnabar's theory in Mysteries of the Mundus Stones.

  Everyone knows that the guardian constellations— the Mage, Thief, and Warrior—are said to protect the other constellations from the destructive chaos of the Serpent, but my research may have exposed part of the magical underpinning of this legend. A survey of the Warrior stone uncovered strong Aetherial currents traveling from the stars into the stone and radiating outward, implying a cross-Tamrielic web.

  What would happen to Tamriel if the Serpent was successful? Something is beginning to form in me noggin and I don't like it.

  ESO presents the constellations with the ability to manifest themselves as conscious, sentient Celestial beings who are capable of speech, thoughts, desires, etc. In fact, the Thief was very concerned about its own safety as well the safety and well-being of Tamriel.

  Hell I like this, especially in light of Cinnabar's theory in Mysteries of the Mundus Stones.

  Everyone knows that the guardian constellations— the Mage, Thief, and Warrior—are said to protect the other constellations from the destructive chaos of the Serpent, but my research may have exposed part of the magical underpinning of this legend. A survey of the Warrior stone uncovered strong Aetherial currents traveling from the stars into the stone and radiating outward, implying a cross-Tamrielic web.

  What would happen to Tamriel if the Serpent was successful? Something is beginning to form in me noggin and I don't like it.

• AncienTzSlayeR

  

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  April 19, 2015

  I find it strange that my current roleplay character is a student at the College ( there are so many amazing mods for this ) , and the first field assignment I went on was researching the standing stones xD . 

  Guys, why are the aedra not conscious agents? 

  I find it strange that my current roleplay character is a student at the College ( there are so many amazing mods for this ) , and the first field assignment I went on was researching the standing stones xD . 

  Guys, why are the aedra not conscious agents? 

• Paws

  

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  April 19, 2015

  Guys, why are the aedra not conscious agents? 

  You'll need to read The Monomyth and The Anuad which details some of the creation myths the various culture believe. Essentially, Lorkhan either tricked or convinced the other gods to help create Mundus, depending on what culture's perspective you're reading from.

  In order to stabilise the weird stuff going on in the Dawn Era when the gods and demons strutted around Nirn causing mischief, the "Aedra" needed to sacrifice themselves, give pieces of themselves or otherwise lose a great deal of their power. The Magna Ge were like "ain't nobody got time for that" and left with Magnus, the Daedra were like "hells no" and backed off but couldn't resist staying around to watch.

  The Eight, along with the Earth Bones, were the ones who put pieces of themselves into Mundus. The Earthbones gave themselves up completely in order to become the laws of nature, like gravity and shit.

  The extent of the powers remaining to the gods are debated, but games such as Oblivion and Skyrim, along with the dlcs like KotN, have made it clear that the gods have very little agency and require somebody to act on their behalf. They're not like the gods of other fantasy settings who reach down and smite etc, although there is evidence of that happening more than once - that's another story, though.

  Guys, why are the aedra not conscious agents? 

  You'll need to read The Monomyth and The Anuad which details some of the creation myths the various culture believe. Essentially, Lorkhan either tricked or convinced the other gods to help create Mundus, depending on what culture's perspective you're reading from.

  In order to stabilise the weird stuff going on in the Dawn Era when the gods and demons strutted around Nirn causing mischief, the "Aedra" needed to sacrifice themselves, give pieces of themselves or otherwise lose a great deal of their power. The Magna Ge were like "ain't nobody got time for that" and left with Magnus, the Daedra were like "hells no" and backed off but couldn't resist staying around to watch.

  The Eight, along with the Earth Bones, were the ones who put pieces of themselves into Mundus. The Earthbones gave themselves up completely in order to become the laws of nature, like gravity and shit.

  The extent of the powers remaining to the gods are debated, but games such as Oblivion and Skyrim, along with the dlcs like KotN, have made it clear that the gods have very little agency and require somebody to act on their behalf. They're not like the gods of other fantasy settings who reach down and smite etc, although there is evidence of that happening more than once - that's another story, though.

• AncienTzSlayeR

  

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  April 20, 2015

  I know the creation myths, I was just struggling with the term 'conscious'. 

  I understand the mitigation of the powers of the Aedra, but by how my mind defines consciousness they certainly seem to be conscious. Especially Akatosh. And Kyne (Kynareth if any of you are imperials and prefer that name) , and Mara. 

  I say that they are conscious, because they work through agents (and I would use this as proof of their consciousness, and sentience ) while still acknowledging their lack of physical power.

  I know the creation myths, I was just struggling with the term 'conscious'. 

  I understand the mitigation of the powers of the Aedra, but by how my mind defines consciousness they certainly seem to be conscious. Especially Akatosh. And Kyne (Kynareth if any of you are imperials and prefer that name) , and Mara. 

  I say that they are conscious, because they work through agents (and I would use this as proof of their consciousness, and sentience ) while still acknowledging their lack of physical power.

• AncienTzSlayeR

  

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  April 20, 2015

  If the Serpent were to be successful... I think it would be safe to assume that a catastrophe as great as the Oblivion Crisis would come of it...

  If the Serpent were to be successful... I think it would be safe to assume that a catastrophe as great as the Oblivion Crisis would come of it...

• Paws

  

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  April 20, 2015

  Sorry Slayer, in lore getting the balance right between lecturing and discussing is hard if one is not sure of the other person's level of knowledge. No offence meant

  because they work through agents (and I would use this as proof of their consciousness, and sentience )

  Proof? Lay your proof on me then.

  Sorry Slayer, in lore getting the balance right between lecturing and discussing is hard if one is not sure of the other person's level of knowledge. No offence meant

  because they work through agents (and I would use this as proof of their consciousness, and sentience )

  Proof? Lay your proof on me then.

• Chris

  

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  April 20, 2015

  I'm not him, but perhaps he means the Prophet of Anvil, the DB, and maybe Martin,Moho,mas some say, became any avatar of Akatosh

  I'm not him, but perhaps he means the Prophet of Anvil, the DB, and maybe Martin,Moho,mas some say, became any avatar of Akatosh
• Tom

  

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  April 20, 2015

  The Serpent is Lorkhan.

  The Serpent is Lorkhan.

• Tom

  

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  April 20, 2015

  I'm with Phil, and I'd even take it and go with the opposite conclusion.

  because they work through agents (and I would use this as proof of their consciousness, and sentience )

  This proves that these acts are perpetrated by individuals, not a God. It's proof of their followers consciousness and what their followers believe the God's will to be.

  I'm with Phil, and I'd even take it and go with the opposite conclusion.

  because they work through agents (and I would use this as proof of their consciousness, and sentience )

  This proves that these acts are perpetrated by individuals, not a God. It's proof of their followers consciousness and what their followers believe the God's will to be.

• Vaaljørn

  

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  April 21, 2015

  I'm definitely not giving up yet. I had a few days off and fully planned to do some research, but, alas, my wife had other plans for my days off. 

  I'm definitely not giving up yet. I had a few days off and fully planned to do some research, but, alas, my wife had other plans for my days off.