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• Justiciar Thorien

  

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  January 5, 2016

  I've read this article and albeit my knowledge of music is very limited, something feels wrong. So I think it would be cool to see your version.

  Music is given direction and organization with duration, Thorien, which is rhythm. It can be a driving force in music or a force of stasis, depend on what rhythmic values are used.

  Exactly, organization or stasis. Which are both manifestations of order. An Anuic essence. Seems like Lorkhan's place in this theory should be something else. The sound itself maybe?

  I've read this article and albeit my knowledge of music is very limited, something feels wrong. So I think it would be cool to see your version.

  Music is given direction and organization with duration, Thorien, which is rhythm. It can be a driving force in music or a force of stasis, depend on what rhythmic values are used.

  Exactly, organization or stasis. Which are both manifestations of order. An Anuic essence. Seems like Lorkhan's place in this theory should be something else. The sound itself maybe?

• The Long-Chapper

  

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  January 5, 2016

  I'll work on it on my day off tomorrow. I've studied music, music theory, and music history for over 20 years. HAHA, nice to see me apply it towards something that's not performance related. I think the author is on to something, but I don't know if his background allows for much elaboration. 

  I'll work on it on my day off tomorrow. I've studied music, music theory, and music history for over 20 years. HAHA, nice to see me apply it towards something that's not performance related. I think the author is on to something, but I don't know if his background allows for much elaboration. 

• Justiciar Thorien

  

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  January 5, 2016

  

  Who knew a discussion of TES lore would turn in a direction of music theory))) This is cool though, isn't it?)) I bet no one else here knows as much about music as you)

  

  Who knew a discussion of TES lore would turn in a direction of music theory))) This is cool though, isn't it?)) I bet no one else here knows as much about music as you)

• Tom

  

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  January 5, 2016

  How would Mundus break the cycle?

  We live in the Dream of Anu. But this dream is of sadness and despair. Anu began dreaming after watching his lover die and slaying his own brother. That event has shaped this world and is reflecting in the beings who inhabit it. Lorkhan was the one to see the truth, and he devised a means of breaking free and creating a new, better Dream.

  That is the purpose of the Mundus. To create a new Dream. A mortal must realize what Lorkhan had learned, but succeed where he couldn't. Lorkhan died to show us the way, knowing he couldn't do it himself.

  If Alduin devoured creation (previous one?), does that mean tht now the cycle is broken?

  No. It will be a mortal who breaks the cycle, not Alduin. Alduin is but a pawn, like his father and immortal kin. Perhaps he has wavered from his predestined path before, but in the end he has always swallowed the world. That may be the purpose of the Last Dragon Born; to set Alduin back onto his path. Did Akatosh really know of Lorkhan's truth? Did he want Lorkhan to succeed? How better to spite is hated brother than ensuring his son stays the course and ends this world?

  How would Mundus break the cycle?

  We live in the Dream of Anu. But this dream is of sadness and despair. Anu began dreaming after watching his lover die and slaying his own brother. That event has shaped this world and is reflecting in the beings who inhabit it. Lorkhan was the one to see the truth, and he devised a means of breaking free and creating a new, better Dream.

  That is the purpose of the Mundus. To create a new Dream. A mortal must realize what Lorkhan had learned, but succeed where he couldn't. Lorkhan died to show us the way, knowing he couldn't do it himself.

  If Alduin devoured creation (previous one?), does that mean tht now the cycle is broken?

  No. It will be a mortal who breaks the cycle, not Alduin. Alduin is but a pawn, like his father and immortal kin. Perhaps he has wavered from his predestined path before, but in the end he has always swallowed the world. That may be the purpose of the Last Dragon Born; to set Alduin back onto his path. Did Akatosh really know of Lorkhan's truth? Did he want Lorkhan to succeed? How better to spite is hated brother than ensuring his son stays the course and ends this world?

• Paws

  

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  January 6, 2016

  I will check his text with more detail later, but so far, I have observed a few things. I understand what he is trying to say but he's basing a lot of this on equal-temperament tuning and I think the duality of the octave can be explained by the mirror images of some of the gods, for example Lorkhan/Akatosh, or even Anu and Padomay. <snip> He also doesn't delve into the medieval concept of Musica univeralis which, IMO, fits more into a fantasy-inspired world like TES is. 

  Musica Universalis

  The idea of the universe being based on music or musical concepts is not unusual. Tolkien, for example. 

  Music of the Ainur

  Those are my thoughts after a mug of coffee.

  Woah! This really needs its own article and discussion Lissette if you get time it would be great to see your interpretation on the concept.

  I will check his text with more detail later, but so far, I have observed a few things. I understand what he is trying to say but he's basing a lot of this on equal-temperament tuning and I think the duality of the octave can be explained by the mirror images of some of the gods, for example Lorkhan/Akatosh, or even Anu and Padomay. <snip> He also doesn't delve into the medieval concept of Musica univeralis which, IMO, fits more into a fantasy-inspired world like TES is. 

  Musica Universalis

  The idea of the universe being based on music or musical concepts is not unusual. Tolkien, for example. 

  Music of the Ainur

  Those are my thoughts after a mug of coffee.

  Woah! This really needs its own article and discussion Lissette if you get time it would be great to see your interpretation on the concept.

• Justiciar Thorien

  

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  January 6, 2016

  That is the purpose of the Mundus. To create a new Dream. 

  That's what I meant by change. To create a new, changed dream. 

  Did Akatosh really know of Lorkhan's truth? Did he want Lorkhan to succeed? How better to spite is hated brother than ensuring his son stays the course and ends this world?

  I have a feeling that he did. And he did something to put his son in place, otherwise there wouldn't be the LDB. The LDB is his child too, isn't he?

  That is the purpose of the Mundus. To create a new Dream. 

  That's what I meant by change. To create a new, changed dream. 

  Did Akatosh really know of Lorkhan's truth? Did he want Lorkhan to succeed? How better to spite is hated brother than ensuring his son stays the course and ends this world?

  I have a feeling that he did. And he did something to put his son in place, otherwise there wouldn't be the LDB. The LDB is his child too, isn't he?

• The Long-Chapper

  

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  January 6, 2016

  Are you at a loss for words, Phil? 

  Are you at a loss for words, Phil? 

• Paws

  

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  January 7, 2016

  Pretty much  Most of that is a foreign language to me.

  Pretty much  Most of that is a foreign language to me.

• The Long-Chapper

  

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  January 7, 2016

  Teehee, to me too. 

  Teehee, to me too. 

• Paws

  

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  January 7, 2016

  No way, you understand it all perfectly and are going to set aside some time and explain your interpretation of Aurbis the musical to us like we're five

  No way, you understand it all perfectly and are going to set aside some time and explain your interpretation of Aurbis the musical to us like we're five