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Bethesda E3 Showcase Discussion

  • Member
    June 12, 2017

    Weak. Extra weak.

    Maybe next year...

  • June 12, 2017

    Warlocksg said:

    Paul said:

    Waking up in the UK and catching up with what seems to me to be a massively underwhelming Showcase.

    Basically it's existing games on new platforms, gimmicky VR versions and new DLC. Where are the huge and crazy new projects that were promised? 

    Just to remind ourselves, folks - Elder Scrolls VI has been pushed back to who knows when because Bethesda are working on exciting new projects. Well, I'm not seeing much evidence from this showcase...

    A huge let down for me (and I predict a lot of hate across the Internet over the next 24 hours)

     

    Hmm... it does seem that focus is on the MMO.
    With beth's direction on the MMO being non-cannon, i wonder why all the focus?

    Also, the DLC looks familiar... wasn't there a clockwork mod for skyrim?
    Is this DLC then "inspired" by the skyrim mod clockwork (and by inspired i mean either re-creating the contents of this mod or outright plagarizing it)

    If so, are we expected to spend real cash, for non-cannon content, inspired by a mod, which could be got for free (although i donated to this mod)?

    At the very least, beth should get an expansion which allows for elder scrolls legends to be played as a card game in taverns, ala gwent from witcher.
    Now THAT would be something i'd shell out cash for.

    They can even make an additional NPCs pack to download to go ahead with it :)

     

    Um ESO is "canon"

  • June 12, 2017

    I bet next year we'll see Skyrim for iOS and Android. Just watch. 

  • June 12, 2017

    Patriarch said:

     

    ESO Morrowind (least popular among single player gamers - even I have issues with it),

     

    Wait, what's wrong with it?

     

  • Member
    June 12, 2017

    Veloth the Prophet said:

    Patriarch said:

     

    ESO Morrowind (least popular among single player gamers - even I have issues with it),

     

    Wait, what's wrong with it?

     

    Not so much the quality of the content itself. That's really good. However, I do have a few gripes:

    1. ZOS is refusing to admit that they've changed their business model...again. Previously, the game was subscription-based. Then it went to B2P with a Crown Store. However, to encourage subscriptions, they said that ALL dlcs would be included with a ESO+ subscription. Now, ZOS has the brilliant idea to have "Chapters" - which is like an expansion. However, these Chapters would not be included in ESO+, nor would they be available in the Crown Store. This is a clear business model change. But, like I'll discuss below, Morrowind is not nearly large enough to be considered an expansion. It's a dlc, period. You can call it anything you want, but if it looks like a duck--you know the rest. But ZOS won't call it a dlc so they can charge more for it. Come on, ZOS, at least be honest about it.

    2. Morrowind is not big enough to be considered an expansion. Among other things, it lacks group dungeons, a decent amount of resource nodes, and (as you know) Red Mountain takes up a huge portion of the map, which limits the amount of explorable space. If you removed Red Mountain, the "chapter" would be not much bigger than Orsinium (it might even be a bit smaller, land-wise). How many locked/inaccessible Dwemer ruins, other ruins, buildings, and rooms did you encounter? A lot, right? Exactly. Far too much for an supposed expansion. Many people in my guild have already finished the Morrowind MQ on Xbox. Already?! PC folks finished it before it even dropped on console. Sure, it has a trial - but that means nothing since the Thieves Guild DLC had the Maw of Lorkhaj trial. There is far too little content to call this anything but a DLC, and a certainly overpriced one at that. IC, Thieves Guild, DB, Orsinium (dlcs) were all included in ESO+ ($15/month for unlimited access to everything - or payable with Crowns) and contained a ton of content. Morrowind has less content than Orsinium (a debatable point, I admit), but we'll call it a chapter and charge $40ish in addition to ESO+ (for those who subscribed). Not only that, but subscribers who have been saving up their monthly allotment of 1500 Crowns via ESO+ (a supposed perk to subscribe) can't buy Morrowind with those Crowns.  I would expect an expansion/chapter--whatever they want to call it--to contain far more than what was delivered. 

    3. I do not like the game mechanics changes, but that discussion would take much longer to explain here. 

  • Member
    June 12, 2017

    So, a year ago, Todd Howard said this:

    “We have three longer-term projects we’re doing that are all…we’ll talk about them at a much future date. But they’re different than anything we’ve done before while also being a Bethesda-style game; big and crazy. But in many ways different than things we’ve done before.”

    Fast forward one year and their E3 'showcase' doesn't mention ANYTHING about any of them? And, yes, I'm working on the assumption that any game that has a number 2 in the title doesnt fit with 'different than anything we've done before'

    That means the first of those 'big and crazy' new games isn't getting announced before E3 2018, and probably released - at the very earliest in Autumn 2018. 

    At this rate, I think I'll be dead and buried before they get around to Elder Scrolls VI...

    Again, and I said this before, I just don't get it. Not at all. Bethesda is a super-successful company that made huge money from Skyrim and Fallout 4. They could quite easily go out and hire people - different poeple - to work on Elder Scrolls VI (and Fallout 5 if they wanted) right now, without taking even a pause from their 'big and crazy' projects. Why not just do that? Why not just do Elder Scrolls VI and their big crazy projects - you know - at the same time? I don't get why they push games that are 100% guaranteed to sell by the bucketload right to the back of a VERY long queue! 

    I can't think of another business that would say, in effect 'we don't want to do something that, with 100% certainty, would make us millions of dollars'. Bizarre...

  • Member
    June 12, 2017

    Paul said:

    So, a year ago, Todd Howard said this:

    “We have three longer-term projects we’re doing that are all…we’ll talk about them at a much future date. But they’re different than anything we’ve done before while also being a Bethesda-style game; big and crazy. But in many ways different than things we’ve done before.”

    Fast forward one year and their E3 'showcase' doesn't mention ANYTHING about any of them? And, yes, I'm working on the assumption that any game that has a number 2 in the title doesnt fit with 'different than anything we've done before'

    That means the first of those 'big and crazy' new games isn't getting announced before E3 2018, and probably released - at the very earliest in Autumn 2018. 

    At this rate, I think I'll be dead and buried before they get around to Elder Scrolls VI...

    Again, and I said this before, I just don't get it. Not at all. Bethesda is a super-successful company that made huge money from Skyrim and Fallout 4. They could quite easily go out and hire people - different poeple - to work on Elder Scrolls VI (and Fallout 5 if they wanted) right now, without taking even a pause from their 'big and crazy' projects. Why not just do that? Why not just do Elder Scrolls VI and their big crazy projects - you know - at the same time? I don't get why they push games that are 100% guaranteed to sell by the bucketload right to the back of a VERY long queue! 

    I can't think of another business that would say, in effect 'we don't want to do something that, with 100% certainty, would make us millions of dollars'. Bizarre...

    I'm in total agreement with your setiments, Paul. Spot on. 

  • June 12, 2017

    I'll just leave this here.

  • June 12, 2017

    Oh, well, none of that bother me tbh

  • Member
    June 12, 2017

    3. I do not like the game mechanics changes, but that discussion would take much longer to explain here. 

    Apology accepted, captain Needa :P