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Official Thread Of CHIM

• Deleted Member

  
   

  August 2, 2015

  Elder scrolls lore looks like a table top game with the dungeon master changing the story every so often.

  Elder scrolls lore looks like a table top game with the dungeon master changing the story every so often.
• Henson

  

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  August 2, 2015

  Nope. That would be boring as all hell.

  Nope. That would be boring as all hell.
• Chris

  

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  August 2, 2015

  If we have Androids, can we have a Crossover with Warhammer 40K? I mean, if we don't want just another fantasy setting, why not add the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, where Talos is actually the God Emperor, and magic is actually Warp Energies? And the Daedric Primces CEOs are the Chaos Gods?

  If we have Androids, can we have a Crossover with Warhammer 40K? I mean, if we don't want just another fantasy setting, why not add the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, where Talos is actually the God Emperor, and magic is actually Warp Energies? And the Daedric Primces CEOs are the Chaos Gods?
• Paws

  

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  August 2, 2015

  What story does the DM change? Is there not clear, logical reasoning behind every piece of writing or a clear narrative from the First Era until the current date? The lore is always written from the point of view of somebody in-game. To understand it you need to look at what character is doing the writing and why. It doesn't mean it's all wrong or even that it's all right.

  What we do is look for consistency over multiple stories or texts. We can rarely give a 100% certain answer to the more complex stuff, only what is most likely given the evidence and maybe a few reasonable logical steps. Would you really want your lore otherwise, dictated to you in bite sized chunks form some god on high> Not even the deep real life stuff can be answered in such a way. Who are we? Where do we come from> What is reality? These subjects are still examined and, depending on who you ask, the answers you'll receive will be different.

  Why is that a problem within the TES setting?

  What story does the DM change? Is there not clear, logical reasoning behind every piece of writing or a clear narrative from the First Era until the current date? The lore is always written from the point of view of somebody in-game. To understand it you need to look at what character is doing the writing and why. It doesn't mean it's all wrong or even that it's all right.

  What we do is look for consistency over multiple stories or texts. We can rarely give a 100% certain answer to the more complex stuff, only what is most likely given the evidence and maybe a few reasonable logical steps. Would you really want your lore otherwise, dictated to you in bite sized chunks form some god on high> Not even the deep real life stuff can be answered in such a way. Who are we? Where do we come from> What is reality? These subjects are still examined and, depending on who you ask, the answers you'll receive will be different.

  Why is that a problem within the TES setting?

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  August 2, 2015

  ...you people are just...precious.

  ...you people are just...precious.
• Matt Feeney the New Guy

  

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  August 2, 2015

  I still haven't seen any actual arguments from you, Shor.

  I still haven't seen any actual arguments from you, Shor.
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  August 2, 2015

  You mean how people logically can't exist in a dream? "I think therefore I am" thing. Anyone with CHIM is also powerful for another reason. Talos with being Dragonborn/"Shezzarrine" and Vivec with the Heart. How do we know that's not an explination? Was the Heart of Lorkhan public knowledge to the people of morrowind? Wouldn't they say they got their power from somewhere else? I'm just saying CHIM of all things is a hard pill to swallow.

  You mean how people logically can't exist in a dream? "I think therefore I am" thing. Anyone with CHIM is also powerful for another reason. Talos with being Dragonborn/"Shezzarrine" and Vivec with the Heart. How do we know that's not an explination? Was the Heart of Lorkhan public knowledge to the people of morrowind? Wouldn't they say they got their power from somewhere else? I'm just saying CHIM of all things is a hard pill to swallow.
• Paws

  

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  August 2, 2015

  You mean how people logically can't exist in a dream?
  "I think therefore I am" thing.
  Anyone with CHIM is also powerful for another reason. Talos with being Dragonborn/"Shezzarrine" and Vivec with the Heart.
  How do we know that's not an explination? Was the Heart of Lorkhan public knowledge to the people of morrowind? Wouldn't they say they got their power from somewhere else?
  
  I'm just saying CHIM of all things is a hard pill to swallow.

  Have you studied, read about or otherwise heard the many bizarre theories of what is the nature of our own reality? It's an interesting topic and it might surprise you some of the theories some very well known minds have come up with. For instance, an advanced race of AI could create computer so advanced it could replicate our own reality to the point where one would be indistinguishable from the other...

  You mean how people logically can't exist in a dream?
  "I think therefore I am" thing.
  Anyone with CHIM is also powerful for another reason. Talos with being Dragonborn/"Shezzarrine" and Vivec with the Heart.
  How do we know that's not an explination? Was the Heart of Lorkhan public knowledge to the people of morrowind? Wouldn't they say they got their power from somewhere else?
  
  I'm just saying CHIM of all things is a hard pill to swallow.

  Have you studied, read about or otherwise heard the many bizarre theories of what is the nature of our own reality? It's an interesting topic and it might surprise you some of the theories some very well known minds have come up with. For instance, an advanced race of AI could create computer so advanced it could replicate our own reality to the point where one would be indistinguishable from the other...

• Matt Feeney the New Guy

  

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  August 2, 2015

  I'm still not sure where you're getting the 'living in a dream contradicts existence.' 'I think therefore I am' does not cover the states of existence, it only covers existence itself and the ability to question your existence. It doesn't cover how you exist, how you think, or even what you think (besides the initial questioning).

  I'm still not sure where you're getting the 'living in a dream contradicts existence.' 'I think therefore I am' does not cover the states of existence, it only covers existence itself and the ability to question your existence. It doesn't cover how you exist, how you think, or even what you think (besides the initial questioning).
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  August 2, 2015

  Matt, if everything you are is in a dream of someone else, you don't exist. You're not there. If you can question your existence, then you have a mind of your own, and you are not in a dream of someone else. My God...I'm not supposed to be rude, but dang.

  Matt, if everything you are is in a dream of someone else, you don't exist. You're not there. If you can question your existence, then you have a mind of your own, and you are not in a dream of someone else. My God...I'm not supposed to be rude, but dang.