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Velothic Commentaries On The Dwemer And Orsimer

  • January 22, 2016

    Trinimac means Son of Three, Dumac is just another name for him. So either Dumac was a mortal Mer who became a god via Dragonbreak or he never was one and is just worshiped as one beacuse they don't know better.

  • January 22, 2016

    Well... if it was Auri-El who schemed with Boethiah to screw over Trinimac cause Trinimac was sooo way cooler and Auri-El really wanted to be top dog, then hmm, and if you were said betraying god's greatest knight and helped him kick Lorkhan's ass, only to be treated like shit. I dunno, I'd sort of consider abandoning gods for reason and logic too, maybe?

    I'm just shooting stuff off. So the Altmer get their creation myth, the Dunmer are correct as well, and the Dwemer/Orc stuff are now tied together? 

  • January 22, 2016

    To be honest, I´m not sure if we can follow this thing about Trinimac being tricked by Boethia anymore, because Veloth says it´s just an allegory.

  • January 22, 2016

    Okay, for me that's the least important part of it. I'm only here to make sure I can rationalize this with Altmer creation myths that feature Trinimac in a certain light and I think I still can. Myth is so foggy anyway. It's all canon. 

    Auri-El kicks Trinimac out of Summerset/where ever they are because he's too popular there after Lorhkan's "destruction"? He's a pretty good preacher. That would cause disillusionment and one to abandon gods for reason and logic as well. I'm flexible, people keep leaving the Aldmer? Why? Cause Auri-El is a bit of a dickhead maybe?

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    January 22, 2016
    In my heart Auri-El will always be a dickhead
  • January 22, 2016

    Well, you´re doing much better than me, because I can´t wrap my head around this and I´m slowly getting depressed by it. 

    The lore teaches us that there was Trinimac and then Malacath. But this implies that there was Dumac between those two and for quite a long time.

    There were Orcs in the same time as Dumac and his Dwemer - fucking Orcs with everything! Green skin, tusks, Mauloch! - yet they weren´t Orcs, they were just called that probably for no reason, only because they were outside of society. They invaded Resdayn together with Nords, with Mauloch´s name on their lips, but actually, Mauloch who was actually Dumac allied himself with Chimer and kicked their arses out of Resdayn and after that, Heart of Lorkhan did some voodoo magic and did precisely what?

    All Dwemer disappeared, all over the Tamriel, multiple accounts are telling that, so what happened? Numidium transported all those new Orcs to Wrothgarian Mountains? How convenient. The other Orcs were already there, so why not put them together? 

    Quite simple.

  • January 22, 2016
    Yeah, I have a much easier time of it cause I only need Trinimac to rip out a certain Lorkhan's heart and be all badass and then he can step out of the cosmic picture to whatever Elder scroll's lore has in store for him. Now if some secret writings of Veloth turn up and says that all that, whether Lorkhan submitted to that punishment or if was done by force, was one big lie, then I'm in a little trouble. But, no, not really. You know Veloth was trying to establish a community, he could just well be a liar to, so he can get more for his cause. Think about it this way, Karves. All parties can be telling their versions of stories. And your average person dwelling in an Orc Stronghold isn't going to know squat about Veloth, Dwemer, and all that. They're just gonna know Malacath and that's okay. Gods can appear different ways to different people and that can lead to confusion.
  • January 22, 2016

    Yeah, I understand that common Orc knows shit about these things. That doesn´t change a thing about this frustrating me. There were Orcs before, since recorded history. There are multiple references to Trinimac changing to Malacath, there are references to both Mauloch and Dumac being known at the same time as two different beings.

    I know I´m way too much straight-minded on logic, which usually doesn´t really work with TES lore. I admit there are few things pointing at Orcs actually being Dwemer (just few) but for Malacath´s big arse, don´t tell me that everyone around Tamriel notice that all Dwemer are gone and instead of them are tens maybe even hundreds of thousands of Orcs, appearing out of nowhere.

    Wouldn´t you think that history would record this appearance of race that haven´t been encountered before? 

  • January 22, 2016
    Well after dragon breaks, wars, destruction, empires falling and being rebuilt, invading armies of multiple Daedric princes, and dragons going to town, yes, I can totally see if that information was recorded, it totally being lost. How much did you think the Altmer lost when that Tower fell? Information in Skyrim's time, super patchy and sketchy.
  • January 22, 2016

    There is also references to Malacath and Dumac being the same being, of Malacath being responsible for Red Mountain's eruption, of  Orcs existing way before the Dunmer exodus.