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Prophecy and Fate

  • Member
    January 3, 2016

    Run with that thought Thorien  Here's everyone's favourite ex developer Michael Kirkbride on the subject:

    What's with all the musical connotations behind Elder Scrolls? You said that tonal architecture is similar to synaesthesia, but there's obviously something greater at play here.

    Tamriel. Starry Heart. That whole fucking thing is a song. It was made either out of 12 planets, or from two brothers that split in the womb. Either way, it's the primal wail and those that grew up on it - they can't help but hear it, and add to it, or try to control it, or run from it. The reason there IS music on Tamriel at ALL is because it exists. It was and is and it will not stop.

    There are repeats in it; plays on a tune. Variations. And most likely Magnus? (He's the one that made the fucker, and now that's why he looks back on it, every single day, that's his promise.

    "When you wake up, I will still listen. I'm sorry I left, but hey, I'm still right up here. And my mnemoli? They show up every now and then, and collect all the songs you've made since the last time around. The last real moment."

    The Mnemoli? They're the keepers of the Elder Scrolls. They cannot be fixed until seen. And they cannot be seen until a moment. And you, your hero, makes that moment.

  • Member
    January 3, 2016
    Haha, likewise! Always a pleasure to converse with a Dominium supporter ;))
  • January 3, 2016
    Huh? Run with this thought? Like in run and hide in shame? I don't understand almost anything. Kirkbride obviously didn't write his texts for Russian blondes, lol)) Even Google Translate sometimes doesn't help((( Does this mean that I got everything wrong?
  • January 3, 2016
    Yay! So cool to know I'm not alone))
  • January 3, 2016

    Heh... I've read it 50 times... Don't know what this music thing means... But...

    It was made either out of 12 planets, or from two brothers that split in the womb.

    Maybe both?

    They're the keepers of the Elder Scrolls. They cannot be fixed until seen. And they cannot be seen until a moment. And you, your hero, makes that moment.

    Seems like I was right after all. They are manifestation of fate. The hero makes the moment because he was destined to. The fate works all the time, not only when people see it's manifestations, it goes from the very beginning, even before the time. And that Magnus involved here is really interesting, looks like he is an observer and in more ways than one.

  • January 3, 2016

    The Mnemoli? They're the keepers of the Elder Scrolls. 

    The Mnemoli (who seem to be observers too) appear during Dragon Breaks,and theyare the keepers of the Elder Scrolls, what does it mean?

    It makes me think that a Dragon Break is actually an overlapping of a few parallel realities. And the Mnemoli (and probably Magnus?) are not affected by it (because they exist beyond time???), and the Elder Scrolls aren't affected either.

    Oh, this porobably seems like I'm totally nuts, lol)

  • Member
    January 3, 2016

    Spot on Thorien, spot on. If you look at all the different accounts of the Battle of Red Mountain and the stories about Vivec you may see how all those overlapping timelines get consolidated. You can see the same happening with the Talos myths.

  • January 3, 2016

    I have problem with the Vivec stories because I can understand only 50% of the text. Kirkbride's language kills my brain.

    As to Vivec and Talos, I suspect (and it totally makes sence, isn't it?) that gods are unaffected by a Dragon Break too, at least to some extent, because they are one and the same in all the overlapping realities.

    Oh, and that must work for Auri-El too, so it seems the Marukhati didn't achieve what they wanted after all, just like I thought.

  • Member
    January 4, 2016

    It could be said that the gods are the most effected by a Dragon Break because in the case of The Tribunal and Talos it was the Dragon Break which allowed ascension.

    My understanding is that when the Dragon Breaks if you know where you are and what you're doing you can trick Time into thinking you are and always were something other than what you are. in Talos' case he looked enough like Lorkhan to make Time think Lorkhan was still there.

    In Vivec's case Time was convinced that the account Vivec tells of his divinity in the Thirty Six Lessons is true enough.  So was Vivec a prostitute from the slums, or was he born from an egg (on a mountaintop, the fumkiest monkey to ever rock) with Sotha Sil as his dad and Almalexia his mum?  Probably all accounts are correct and the timeline incorporated them all.

    I think this explains the Dunmer skin too. There are so many conflicting accounts as to how the dark elves look as they do that it probably is evidence (in my mind at least) of a timeline shift.

    About Auriel, what do you mean?

  • Member
    January 4, 2016

    Huh? Run with this thought? Like in run and hide in shame?

    No, I was saying you got everything right and to keep going where it leads you 

    Heh... I've read it 50 times... Don't know what this music thing means... But...

    It was made either out of 12 planets, or from two brothers that split in the womb.

    Maybe both?

    They're the keepers of the Elder Scrolls. They cannot be fixed until seen. And they cannot be seen until a moment. And you, your hero, makes that moment.

    Seems like I was right after all. They are manifestation of fate. The hero makes the moment because he was destined to. The fate works all the time, not only when people see it's manifestations, it goes from the very beginning, even before the time. And that Magnus involved here is really interesting, looks like he is an observer and in more ways than one.

    See? Awesome work!  The twelve worlds vs two brothers is complicated but he's saying that the Anuad's version of the beginning and the Monomyth's version of the beginning is different but that it doesn't matter either way. See, the Anuad, some believe, is not universe of the TES games.

    The Mnemoli (who seem to be observers too) appear during Dragon Breaks,and theyare the keepers of the Elder Scrolls, what does it mean?

    It makes me think that a Dragon Break is actually an overlapping of a few parallel realities. And the Mnemoli (and probably Magnus?) are not affected by it (because they exist beyond time???), and the Elder Scrolls aren't affected either.

    Nailed it  Every Dragon Break Magnus sends his Blue Star to collect all the songs sung (the Scrolls) since the last one. Interesting when you remember Meridia was one of these Magna-ge.