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Redguard Braintstorming Thread

• Paws

  

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  August 11, 2015

  Yeah I think Matt had a discussion on that, let me find it for you...

  Edit: Here we go Yokudan Creation Myths: Analysis

  Yeah I think Matt had a discussion on that, let me find it for you...

  Edit: Here we go Yokudan Creation Myths: Analysis

• Veloth the Prophet

  

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  August 11, 2015

  Thanks 

  It is an interesting thought. But I kinda wish the Redguards worshiped the Magna-Ge as there main gods that way we could get a bunch more lore on them fleshed out but it seems they are more focused on there aedra alternatives. Or is it different between Crowns and Forbearers? I admit I have never played Redguard or ESO so even though I find them interesting my Redguard lore is poor lol  

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  It is an interesting thought. But I kinda wish the Redguards worshiped the Magna-Ge as there main gods that way we could get a bunch more lore on them fleshed out but it seems they are more focused on there aedra alternatives. Or is it different between Crowns and Forbearers? I admit I have never played Redguard or ESO so even though I find them interesting my Redguard lore is poor lol  

• Matt Feeney the New Guy

  

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  August 11, 2015

  I'm gonna try and rephrase my previous comment.

  Basically it's hard to say which Redguard gods are Aedra and which aren't. We know many gods refused Sep but the only one we know is Ruptga. We don't know if Leki is an Aedra or not, for example. She taught sword moves to the Yokudans, which is rather Aedra-ish, but the Yokudans were masters of astronomy and could've looked past the stars and learned the moves that way (we actually know for a fact some of them did this, only with the Warrior constellation instead of Leki). But yeah, some clarity on which gods followed Sep's plans would be nice.

  As for the Crowns and Forebears, the Forebears tend to worship more Imperialized versions of the Yokudan gods while the Crowns stick to the traditional pantheon.

  I'm gonna try and rephrase my previous comment.

  Basically it's hard to say which Redguard gods are Aedra and which aren't. We know many gods refused Sep but the only one we know is Ruptga. We don't know if Leki is an Aedra or not, for example. She taught sword moves to the Yokudans, which is rather Aedra-ish, but the Yokudans were masters of astronomy and could've looked past the stars and learned the moves that way (we actually know for a fact some of them did this, only with the Warrior constellation instead of Leki). But yeah, some clarity on which gods followed Sep's plans would be nice.

  As for the Crowns and Forebears, the Forebears tend to worship more Imperialized versions of the Yokudan gods while the Crowns stick to the traditional pantheon.

• Matt Feeney the New Guy

  

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  August 13, 2015

  Two more theories have been added. These ones get weird. They're a bit more based on if it is logically possible and if it contradicts anything over actual evidence (since most of these thing have little to no lore), so there's your warning.

  Two more theories have been added. These ones get weird. They're a bit more based on if it is logically possible and if it contradicts anything over actual evidence (since most of these thing have little to no lore), so there's your warning.

• Paws

  

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  August 14, 2015

  The Redguards love the stars. Not in the hippy way, they studied this stuff

  Well there's an illusion shattered

  The Redguards love the stars. Not in the hippy way, they studied this stuff

  Well there's an illusion shattered

• Matt Feeney the New Guy

  

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  August 14, 2015

  They're the Carl Sagans of Nirn.

  What did you think of the actual theories? They definitely stray into the most bizarre stuff I've come up with.

  They're the Carl Sagans of Nirn.

  What did you think of the actual theories? They definitely stray into the most bizarre stuff I've come up with.

• Veloth the Prophet

  

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  August 14, 2015

  How do you think the Celestials all fit in to this?

  How do you think the Celestials all fit in to this?

• Paws

  

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  August 14, 2015

  Like the Four who attained power through the Warrior constellation, I think the Twenty-Seven Snake-Folk Slaughter attained power from a constellation. Maybe the Ritual, maybe even the dreaded Serpent. I think the Slaughter was meant to finish off the Left-Handers for good. They wanted to wipe slash the Left-Handers out of existence, by pulling off this extremely complex sword ritual.

  I like this one. I'm picturing an as above, so below ritualistic choreographed melee. As in they watched the movements of the stars for so long and imitated those movements, transcribing them in a dance-like routine. The culmination has them re-enacting The Thief taking the Tower and the Warrior battling the Serpent, they end below what is still continuing above, drawing all that power from imitation. Walk like them until they must walk like you.

  Like the Four who attained power through the Warrior constellation, I think the Twenty-Seven Snake-Folk Slaughter attained power from a constellation. Maybe the Ritual, maybe even the dreaded Serpent. I think the Slaughter was meant to finish off the Left-Handers for good. They wanted to wipe slash the Left-Handers out of existence, by pulling off this extremely complex sword ritual.

  I like this one. I'm picturing an as above, so below ritualistic choreographed melee. As in they watched the movements of the stars for so long and imitated those movements, transcribing them in a dance-like routine. The culmination has them re-enacting The Thief taking the Tower and the Warrior battling the Serpent, they end below what is still continuing above, drawing all that power from imitation. Walk like them until they must walk like you.

• Matt Feeney the New Guy

  

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  August 14, 2015

  I had never heard of the Celestials. I don't think they really add anything, honestly. They seem to mainly be there to give the players some cool boss battles.

  I had never heard of the Celestials. I don't think they really add anything, honestly. They seem to mainly be there to give the players some cool boss battles.

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  August 14, 2015

  I like the bit about astronomy - one more reason why I abhor the 'Redguards hate magic' crap that gets thrown around - and the suggestion some Redguards use magic to improve their martial prowess (ignoring some magic is a martial art) fits my head-canon about some magical practices in Hammerfell.

  However, I do not like the idea Redguards are from a different kalpa. It makes them unnecessarily mysterious, cheapens the Companions' encounter with them (SoR), and does no justice to the the Redguard horse folk in High Rock. A great deal of lore can be spurred from that.

  The bizarre can, at times, do the lore a disservice.

  And about Julianos' presence in Forebear culture... I just assume it is a natural result of interaction with Nedic descendants (Bretons and Imperials). Julianos is not worshiped by the Crowns, and I doubt they love their swords any less, illuminating my point about the bizarre doing the lore a disservice.

  Admittedly, I have some biases as some of this involves my head-canon and I prefer to enrich the world with sensible conclusions where the bizarre is not needed. The White-Gold tower land changing flip? Yes. Bizarre is much needed.  

  I like the bit about astronomy - one more reason why I abhor the 'Redguards hate magic' crap that gets thrown around - and the suggestion some Redguards use magic to improve their martial prowess (ignoring some magic is a martial art) fits my head-canon about some magical practices in Hammerfell.

  However, I do not like the idea Redguards are from a different kalpa. It makes them unnecessarily mysterious, cheapens the Companions' encounter with them (SoR), and does no justice to the the Redguard horse folk in High Rock. A great deal of lore can be spurred from that.

  The bizarre can, at times, do the lore a disservice.

  And about Julianos' presence in Forebear culture... I just assume it is a natural result of interaction with Nedic descendants (Bretons and Imperials). Julianos is not worshiped by the Crowns, and I doubt they love their swords any less, illuminating my point about the bizarre doing the lore a disservice.

  Admittedly, I have some biases as some of this involves my head-canon and I prefer to enrich the world with sensible conclusions where the bizarre is not needed. The White-Gold tower land changing flip? Yes. Bizarre is much needed.