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Lets Talk About Self-Made Gods.

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  • August 10, 2015

    I totally shouldn't have missed Dagoth-Ur though 

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    August 10, 2015

    The Dunmeri Saints are the only real evidence we have that saints grant blessings when prayed to, although I remember Vaz saying something about ESO's Aldmeri shrines a while back.

    This should mean that a shrine to Alessia, or Morihaus or any other hero-god would also grant blessings, proving that the psijics and Gods and Worship are on the right track. That said, I'm not sure this mythopoeic effect should work that way. For instance Malcath. There are debates whether Malacath could ever become Trinimac again and if Gortwog was trying to make this happen.

    Personally I've always liked the ideas of the psijics, Gods and Worship and The Drakness and the Light, so I'm very much a supporter of a potential Malacath reversion given enough time and support.

    However, I think there is an equal amount of evidence to contradict this. Malacth is a Daedric Prince and thus should not be susceptible to mythopoeia. It's one of those things I can't get straight in my head because it would mean that the transformation of Trinimac is just a story and that they are two separate beings despite many cultural beliefs.

    Things get deep really quickly on this subject. I have often wondered if the hero-gods and saints become absorbed into one of the Eight's spheres, like extensions of the gods rather than separate in their own right. A line of reasoning like that solves a few problems, maybe?

  • August 10, 2015

    Aw the whole Trinimac\Malacath thing annoys me no end. So many stories on what actually happened and who Malacath is it hurts my head.

    Something I did notice though is in the 36 Lessons (and I think a few others) the act of someone eating someone else is used a bunch of times and it's almost never literal. But instead actually means one person convincing the other or maybe even imprinting their will on them. I wonder if that's what happened with Boethiah and and Trinimac? He was "won over". Malacath himself said we were being too literal.. Bit off topic lol.

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    August 10, 2015

    Sorry mate, got carried away when illustrating my point  We touched on this subject lightly in this discussion.

    I think the question of godhood boils down to personal interpretation and I'm looking forward to arguing about it

  • August 10, 2015
    What if aedra and Daedra can switch alligence?
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    August 10, 2015

    To err is divine and to forgive is human.

    Ignoring Judaism and Christianity and the few religions they ripped off before them, most of the world's religions involve flawed (as in their followers acknowledged their gods were flawed, or at least acted like humans instead of the obstinate proclamations that their god(s) were perfect) gods.

    What really separates the highest from the lowest then but capability and knowledge. If a mortal can gain the capability or knowledge, what separates them from a god? Nothing.

    Are these figures actual gods? Yes. Are the Aedra? Not really. Are they Daedra? Not really. They're still gods. There are significant differences in how they achieved godhood, but there are many ways of reaching heaven by violence.

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    August 11, 2015

    Run with it Shor. See if you can find anything to back the idea up. In this thread we got a bit chaotic but we briefly touched on the possibility that as long as there are Eight and Sixteen, it doesn't matter who fills those slots. Not saying it's fact, just something worth thinking about.

  • August 11, 2015
    Talos, anyone?
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    September 10, 2015
    Malacca the himself did say that tale was too literal. And who would knew better than Orc god dude himself?