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Mauloch/Malacath/Trinimac?

  • January 12, 2016

    Well how far down the kwama hole do you want to go? Because I have a whole crazy theory on that that I laid out to Phil once but you might have to take the blue pill in order to follow.

    You are right about Zen, I was being slightly reductionist.

  • January 12, 2016

    Give me your best shot.

  • January 12, 2016

    I was trying to look for my post where I outlined all this but I cant actually remember where I posted it and I'm afraid it's buried somewhere in the Lore Question forum maybe Phil remembers where?

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    January 13, 2016

    I think you're right and that it's in the Questions thread. Definitely worth dusting it off and displaying it in a discussion, Vel

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    January 13, 2016

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    January 13, 2016

    Well, Trinimac was a knight of Auri-El, so he most likely was supposed to protect the people from all kinds of evil things like the Daedra and such (probably undead too?), and he seems just... knightly) Even as Malacath, he retains something of his knightliness which we can see in his Code (like Karver said).

    Then we have Stendarr who is a god of mercy but also of justice. And he hates Daedra, undead and everythingevil. Sounds quite like a knight-paladin type to me.

    As for Arkay, I find that he has something in common with Tsun - both deal with dead, kinda. This is the only thing why Arkay is in this bunch IMO. Though I don't know anything about the Nordic Orkey...

    So if Tsun = Arkay, Stuhn = Stendarr and Tsun + Stuhn = Trinimac, that explains the absence of Arkay-like deity in the Altmeri pantheon and the fact that most of the Altmer didn't seem to worship Stendarr. Then, after Trinimac became Malacath and was removed from the Altmeri pantheon, Xarxes takes the part of his functions that deal with death, and the other part... maybe, I don't know, Phynaster? Who else they have?

    I like what you've got there but don't dismiss Arkay too soon. The Arkay thing is really rather complicated. Arkay's Plan(et) is the Dominion planet in the constellation of the Thief. The Thief's charges are The Lover, The Shadow and The Tower. 

  • January 13, 2016

    Arkay's Plan(et) is the Dominion planet in the constellation of the Thief. The Thief's charges are The Lover, The Shadow and The Tower. 

    And what can this mean?

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    January 13, 2016

    It's abstract. The charges seem to be defining parts of the characteristics of the primary Constellations. The Warrior rides his Steed, protects the Lord and woes the Lady like a true knight. The Mage teaches the Apprentice, nurtures the savant Atronach and is master of the Ritual. The Thief is inscrutable like the Shadow, charming like the lover and in the end takes the Tower. There is something very Lorkhan about the Thief. The enantiomorph seems to have its own subgradient enantiomorphs.

    There is a passage in Shor, Son of Shor which links Trinimac directly to Lorkhan:

    Ald's shield thane Trinimac shook his head at this, for he was akin to Tsun and did not care much for logic-talk as much as he did only for his own standing...

    But Shor shook his head at this, for he was akin to Ald and did not care much for logic-talk as much as he did only for his own standing.

    Odd that the role played by Trinimac in Ald's tribe is the same role played by Shor when he speaks to his dad. I don't think this is a coincidence.

    Now, if we go back and look at the story of Lorkhan and that enantiomorph, overlay the story of Trinimac, we may discern a few things in common.

  • January 13, 2016

    Oh I found my post! Do you think I should just post it here or rework it and post it as a separate discussion?

  • January 13, 2016

    Odd that the role played by Trinimac in Ald's tribe is the same role played by Shor when he speaks to his dad. I don't think this is a coincidence.

    I don't think it's that odd. Shor's father (who is actually future version of himself) knows what's going to happen, knows the future, unlike Shor who sees only "his own standing", what is now. The same situation is with Auri-El and Trinimac. Auri-El sees the "above", the future, and Shor sees "below", the past. That speaks a lot, doesn't it?

    As for the enantiomorphs, they seem to be everythere because it's the basic system in this world.

    If I'm right and Arkay=Tsun by the way, there's quite an obvious connection between him and Lorkhan. So I'm not dismissing Arkay anywhere, I just want to determine where exactly he stands)

    The two other questions that really nag me in this story though are why no one should speak to Jhunal and who is that scribe who hasn't written anything yet?))