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  • January 12, 2016

    Well, Trinimac was a knight of Auri-El, so he most likely was supposed to protect the people from all kinds of evil things like the Daedra and such (probably undead too?), and he seems just... knightly) Even as Malacath, he retains something of his knightliness which we can see in his Code (like Karver said).

    Then we have Stendarr who is a god of mercy but also of justice. And he hates Daedra, undead and everything evil. Sounds quite like a knight-paladin type to me.

    As for Arkay, I find that he has something in common with Tsun - both deal with dead, kinda. This is the only thing why Arkay is in this bunch IMO. Though I don't know anything about the Nordic Orkey...

    So if Tsun = Arkay, Stuhn = Stendarr and Tsun + Stuhn = Trinimac, that explains the absence of Arkay-like deity in the Altmeri pantheon and the fact that most of the Altmer didn't seem to worship Stendarr. Then, after Trinimac became Malacath and was removed from the Altmeri pantheon, Xarxes takes the part of his functions that deal with death, and the other part... maybe, I don't know, Phynaster? Who else they have?

  • January 12, 2016

    Hehe, for a reason I have a feeling that there's no need for the gods to lie (not only Vivec). It's the mortals who lie on their behalf.

  • January 12, 2016

    Actually, Stendarr is part of Altmeri pantheon, being called "The apologist of Man."

    I don´t want to lie, I don´t know wheter he was part of the Pantheon before Trinimac´s change or after, but in my head, they´re not really similar. Trinimac was the hero-god, original ancestor, warring with men and Lorkhan.

    What you implie is that when Trinimac changed to Malacath, he became Stendarr too? Apologist of Man?

  • January 12, 2016

    Maybe they say Stendarr is "the apologist of Man" because he is worshipped mostly by men? Can it be that he came into the Altmeri pantheon from the Imperial one? As for the men... well, they definitely wouldn't worship Trinimac, but since we are talking here that Tsun/Stuhn is a human version of him, and Stuhn is the Nordic version of the Imperial Stendarr, so...

  • January 12, 2016

    In the Nord pantheon Sthun\Stendarr was the god that showed the others that ransoming their enemies is better than just outright killing them (you know, like a blood price or a bargain) so if you take that concept and apply it to the elves then said god could be seen as an apologist to their enemies.

  • January 12, 2016

    I'm gonna throw out two thoughts here for consideration:

    1. The Dwemer king Dumac was also known as Dumalacath Dwarf-Orc 

    2. The Bosmer and the Wood Orc's consider Zen and Mauloch to be the same deity.

  • January 12, 2016

    And what would that thing about Dumac imply?

    That he was Orc who decided to follow Dwemer´s gods of logic and became king? Or that Dumac was Dwemer who´s appearence was more like a Orc?

    Or that Dumac was actually Malacath? I don´t really buy this one.

    And Z´en and Mauloch.

    Every tale has an end. Every end allows a beginning to set hold. It is a balance, tenuous though it seems to be. Z'en's presence fades from this world as Mauloch grows stronger. Perhaps these journals will give comfort to those who fear the end.

    To me this doesn´t seem like they consider them being the same deity. More like connected deities, two faces of one god at war with each other. More like Trinimac vs. Malacath. So it is quite possible, Z´en could be an aspect of Trinimac rather than Mauloch.

  • January 12, 2016

    I don't see there is logic here. Stendarr basically taught the men to ransom their enemies instead of killing them. But their enemies were mostly the elves, no? So to the men he must be the apologist of elves? Or did they ransom only other men?)))

  • January 12, 2016

    Hm I'm saying if there was an elven god that was the equivalent of Stendarr 

  • January 12, 2016

    Ah, yes, you're right. But for some reason I doubt that he taught the elves to ransom as well. It's never said they had problems with that, huh?