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Lore Article: The Importance of Talos

Tags: #Phil  #Lore: Historical Figures  #Lore: Metaphysics 
  • January 1, 2016

    I have a distinct feeling that it's not exactly being a Shezzarine what he is talking about. Much like some kind of divine power or vision.

  • January 1, 2016

    Yay! Exactly what I was thinking! Except that there's probably something more complicated ith Alessia-like dudes, they weren't all born with this power, I suspect it is tied to actually being an emperor or something.

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    January 2, 2016

    Very nice Lissette!

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    January 2, 2016

    The diamond shaped heart - Amulet of Kings as the symbol of the Empire is a symbol of divine power. And then there is Pelinal with a diamond shaped hole, the hole there the heart must have been. I.e. Pelinal is (an incarnation of) a god, who lacks his heart - divine power.

    Perfect, can't argue with that  I was suggesting that we take it further , that a hole in the shape of a diamond is Lorkahn's missing heart and that said missing heart is the AoK. If the AoK was this heart, then the heart was Akatosh's. If it were Akatosh's, what does that tell us about Lorkhan and Pelinal?

    You're saying that the heart was definitely Lorkhan's missing organ. If it were Lorkhan's missing heart the AoK must come from Lorkhan. If the AoK comes from Lorkhan, what does it tell us about Dragonborn?

    Do you know why I can't believe that Hjalti was a Shezzarine? First, as I already told earlier, there can't be 3 Lorkhans at the same time. Also Hjalti doesn't seem like a twin brother of Wulfhart (personality-wise), he is another person entirely, while all the other Shezzarines seem one person.

    Valid interpretation save for the fact MK tells us there can be. The choice is to accept or reject. Either is cool, but clearly I favour acceptance.

    Pelinal, as I see it, isn't talking about himself. He is merely having a vision about the future, which I don't doubt a Shezzarine could do.

    Odd for a Shezarrine. Unless this warrior, armoured as he was from the future time, is linked somehow to the Dragon God of Time...  

    By the way, I can totally see Lorkhan giving up his heart. Poor dude must have seen that he can involuntalily destroy the world))

    There's a book, Shor, son of Shor which may do your nut right in.

    He had taken the second by drawing a circle on the House's adamantine floor with his tailmouth-tusk which broke with a keening sound, showing the other chieftains that it would all come around again. And he took the third by vomiting his own heart into the circle like a hammerclap, guarding his wraith in the manner of his father and roaring at the other tribes, "Again we fight for our petty placements in this House, in the Around Us, and all it will amount to is a helix of ghosts like mine now spit into the world below where we fight again! I can already feel the war below us starting, and yet you have not yet thrown your first spears even here!" We took our leave of the House and would never reconvene again in this age.

    And all this together makes me think that there's actually no hate and no war between Lorkhan and Akatosh, they both know their places in the Creation. Kirkbride's words aside. I'm really confused as to how far and how deep Kirkbride thought the whole thing through.

    Deep. Too deep for here.

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    January 2, 2016

    Oh really? Do we know that for sure? Why can't the poor Dragon soul be recycled just like the Shezarrine aspect?

    I'd say you're free to interpret as always. Yet we do meet Dragonborn in Sovngarde. Now, I have said that I believe that each dragon soul is a fragment of Aka -  a little piece of time. So technically they are part of the same soul. The distinction is that, in my mind, Aka's souls all flow back to Aka rather than get recycled. Maybe that's part of Lorkhan's plan, that by sacrificing himself and letting his soul wander Nirn he can gather the pieces of his brother to make him whole again?

    Martin smashed the AoK and became a massive dragon made from the oversoul of all the Dragonborn Emperors. In my imagination this is similar to how Dragon Aspect works - you need at least three souls to shout a dragon into the world and for a while you become that dragon.

    Imagine Lorkhan, the mortal entity, and a dragon soul all sharing a body. That's so awesomely f'cked up. 

    That's TLD you're describing, no? A mortal entity, Lork's soul and part of Aka's soul all sharing the same body.

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    January 2, 2016

    The three thieves are the Tribunal, the High King of Alinor is possibly Auriel the mortal "who ascended in full view of his followers", while Ysmir and Pelinal are obviously Shezarrine's. Why would Mannimarco include Arctus on the same sentence as the last two if he wasn't a Shezarrine too?

  • January 2, 2016

    Yes, you meet dragonborn, that I do not dispute at all. Blame the eggnog  for my bad wording. 

    I agree about the shards of Aka too. They are yes, a part of Aka, the Bormah as they call him, but there is individuality too, personalities that sort of thing. This is reflected in the dragons you encounter. At the same time, they seem very much connected to each other, like you said part of one soul. But I think the different dragonborns can still have different dragon souls, just not the dragon soul in question. The one that belongs to the LDB.  He/she gets a different soul, the one that was shared.  I just liked all the important ones sharing that one particular soul, to be used in times of great need. Those other dragonborns in Sovngarde can haves their own. Dragonsouls for everyone. Besides, if a bunch of them are Atmorans and Companions aren't they sort of dragons anyway? Hehehe. 

    That's TLD you're describing, no? A mortal entity, Lork's soul and part of Aka's soul all sharing the same body.

    Well, yes, but then imagine that two of those entities have been around the Nirnian block a bunch of times. Used and Reused.

    In my imagination this is similar to how Dragon Aspect works - you need at least three souls to shout a dragon into the world and for a while you become that dragon.

    Dragon Aspect is extremely important. Yes, for a while, you become a dragon again and in that dlc, you learn to fly again. 

    This just solidifies everything.  Solid as a rock. Sucks that none of this will come into true fruition until Book 3, but this is good that the lore is pretty set now. ESO better not muck it up. 

  • January 2, 2016

    Thanks, the phonetics studies has helped me a lot. All three interpretations of the name actually work extremely well. This LDB is a very special person indeed. 

    And Kyne has connections to spring. 

    Dark clouds gather in the sky above.

    Kyne weeps for joy at the beauty of the world.

    Tears warm the ground and blossoms grow.

    The sacred stone reveals the flowers of her tears.

    April showers bring May flowers. Would love an article on Kyne, Phil. She is huge. Not the poo Kynareth, but Kyne, Shor's widow. She is also connected to the Shezzarines, the Dragonborn, and TLD. 

  • January 2, 2016

    If it were Lorkhan's missing heart the AoK must come from Lorkhan.

    Not really. It's not the same heart. It's similar, but not one and the same. The twin brothers are easy to confuse one for the other, but they are still two, two halves, the ying and the yang.

    Valid interpretation save for the fact MK tells us there can be. The choice is to accept or reject. Either is cool, but clearly I favour acceptance.

    The thing is that there is a system here. A system is a thing I know, understand and love))) But sometimes, it seems, Kirkbride kinda gets carried away and abandons the system, and things become chaotic. This seems to be one of these cases.

    Odd for a Shezarrine. 

    Nothing odd at all. As long as you remember that a Shezzarine is actually Lorkhan. As I see it, seeing the future is perfectly natural for him. And yes, he is connected to the God of Time, he is his twin)))

    There's a book, Shor, son of Shor which may do your nut right in.

    Yes, that book is cool. Shows a huge piece of the same system.

    Deep. Too deep for here.

    Pity( I now see where the whole thing is coming from, and would like yo discuss it.

  • January 2, 2016

    Lissette... Did I tell you how cool you are?))))) Agree with everything except the Dragonborn Companions))))