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Connections Between Reachmen And Nord\Skaal Religions?

  • October 1, 2016

    One of my favourite books on the Reachmen is Aspects of Lord Hircine: Oral Traditions of the Reachmen No5. This book is a dictation of a Reach shaman describing the five aspects of Hircine and how they are worshipped. There is:

    The Hunter Alrabeg who carries the Spear of Bitter Mercy.

    The Manbeast Storihbeg who wears the Wolf Skull Totem.

    The Great Stag Uricanbeg whose hooves beat the Blood Summons.

    But the most interesting to me are the Fox and the Bear. I'll post the full descriptions here:

    "You may meet the Mighty Bear, who is invoked as Hrokkibeg. He embodies the Totem of Claw and Fang, and comes here seeking solitude, peace from labors, and renewal of the Burning Spirit Within. Beware, for if you rouse him and disturb his serenity you will be torn asunder. But if you approach him with deference and an offering of honey-sweet mead, he may grant you the power of the Bear-Heart in your next fight."

    The Totem of Claw and Fang is a Skaal artifact that they use to summon the Spirit Bear and then hunt it in worship of the All-Maker. During the events of Bloodmoon Hircine sends werewolves in order to stop the Skaal from using the Totem. Would it be right in saying the Reachmen associate the All-Maker as an aspect of Hircine?

    "You may meet the Quick Fox, who is invoked as Gulibeg, and who wields the Wand of Bone. He comes here to confound mortal hunters, to run them in circles until they are so plexed and wildered that they follow him over a cliff or into a trackless mire. He may fill you with such fury you can do naught but pursue him, or he may note you as clever and teach you his tricks."

    If All-Maker worship has affected Reach culture then how much has other Nordic religion affected it? We know in the Nordic Totem pantheon that the Fox represents Shor, would it be a stretch to say that the Quick Fox Gulibeg represents the Reachman interpretation of him? If one tried really hard you could argue that the description could be a reference Lorkhan tricking the Aedra, being hunted by the Altmer and gifting to the ones who follow is actions.

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    October 2, 2016

    Good find Vel!

    Would it be right in saying the Reachmen associate the All-Maker as an aspect of Hircine?

    Well that's fascinating. The Skaal seem to have this very holistic view on the All-Maker, very similar to my own views of the gods and demons being just aspects of Aka's fractured mind. To put it plainly for the sake of anyone reading this who has not heard me rattle on about this, Aka is time and Lokhan is space. When Lorkhan saw the "I" Akatosh went:

    And then the other gods and demons came to be.

    So when I look at your book and that connection between the All-Maker and Hircine, I sorta feel that holism at work. Indeed, there is something about death by being eaten by wolves purifying the soul in Skaal tradition. So if the Reachmen see Hircine as an aspect of the All-Maker then they are surprisingly barking up my tree.

    If All-Maker worship has affected Reach culture then how much has other Nordic religion affected it? We know in the Nordic Totem pantheon that the Fox represents Shor, would it be a stretch to say that the Quick Fox Gulibeg represents the Reachman interpretation of him?

    So it would seem, although part of me thinks it's a bit of a shame too. Why a connection at all rater than their own distinct version? If the story is a song, why have the notes got to sound so similar? That said, I do like the connection and the freedom it gives.

    Edit: Damn, my gif didn't gif :(

  • October 2, 2016

    Yeah I had to google the gif and then proceeded to lol for a good five minutes!

    What do you think the Wand of Bone is? Maybe a reference to the Gift Limbs? The other aspects to me seem pretty standard Hircine.The Hunter being Herne you meet in Battlespire, the Manbeast obviously a werewolf and the Great Stag being Hircine's most common form.