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Velothic Commentaries On Sithis

  • Member
    June 27, 2016

    It's mental, right? Like I am searching frantically for a Prof Jim Al Khalili vid in which he describes Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle operating in a vacuum.

    He claimed, iirc, that if you were to remove everything -all air, all atoms, everything - that particles would simply pop into being. As soon as that happens then with enough time (monkey's with typewriters) you'd see a universe formed as more atoms pop up, collide, heat up etc.

    Once that happens, then the multiple worlds theory and Schrodinger's Cat woud start to happen as every possible outcome generates a new reality.

    So the Godhead in that sense could be a quantum particle.

    I don't know, this is headfucky stuff. I do reject the idea of a conscious being, though. The sources say things like "an uncaring Godhead" or even this:

    MK describes the Godhead as "schizophrenic," by which I think he meant a dissociative identity disorder, since that's generally the mistake most people make.

    To me, that suicide physicist and two worlds theory plays nicely into the definition of schizophrenia. I am open to other interpretations.

    Edit:

    Godhead. I see it like a blackhole that blossoms into another universe. It is a person becoming the seed that influences and sets the rules for the Amaranth that emerges.

    Like this one. There is a scientific equivalent here too, right? Black holes as generators and stuff.

  • Tom
    Member
    June 27, 2016

    Where I am going with this is that Lorkhan's divine spark is Tamriel, he is very much Mundus.

    I don't think this is quite accurate. Lorkhan is Space to Aka's Time. He's what prevents Mundus from slipping into the waters of Oblivion. That's why Talos mantling Lorkhan is important and the Thalmor want Talos gone. Talos is now stabilizing Mundus, and so is Lorkhan by way of Wulfharth.

    He's no more Tamriel and Mundus than any other Aedra, but he is the most critical. Lorkhan is King.

    Let me think on it more and I'll reply back to the rest of your post.

    EDIT: I've been thinking on it more, but it might not directly attest to your reply.

    Sithis is linked to the subconscious, and Lorkhan is the essence (soul=essence) of that. Let's go with "Sithis is the Corrupting Inexpressible Action." Let me know if my path of thinking makes sense here. Sithis is the inexpressible subconscious. The Id that demands we fulfill our desires, and it acts out, "corrupting" our purely reasonable and emotionless superego, that philosopher brain that attempts to contemplate itself.

    Lorkhan is the agent to fulfill the subconscious desires of the godhead. The godhead knows there's something wrong with the Dream, and deep down wishes for a better one. This one is full of grief and despair. Lorkhan is unstable mutant because he keeps trying to fix things but can't. So he makes Mundus, which will keep generating new AE until eventually one finds the path Lorkhan made and fulfills the subconscious desire.

  • Member
    June 27, 2016

    I am with you totally don't get me wrong, twins on the Aurbilical cord and all of that.

    But also there is this idea that as he tricked/convinced the Aedra to become part of Mundus forever connecting them to both aetherius and the mortal plane, so too was he punished. His corpse floats around Nirn like the other gods only as two moons cloven, but his AE, unlike the other gods, is inside Nirn.

    If we look at Commentaries:

    Understood laws of the arcanature will fall away like heat. "First Tower Dictate: render the mutant bound where he may do no more harm. As God of the Mundus, alike shall be his progeny, split from their divine sparks. We are Eight time eight Exarchs. Let the home of Padomay see us as sole exit."

    Mankar asserts Lorkhan is "God of the Mundus". As mortals we are each part of this greater spark, which is in turn part of Aka, which is in turn part of a bigger gradient.

    I was merely tying the Dreamsleeve cycle back to Lorkhan and why it helps make Psijic Endeavour make sense.

    The Hist though. I am not sure I will ever understand that :D

  • Tom
    Member
    June 27, 2016

    Like this one. There is a scientific equivalent here too, right? Black holes as generators and stuff.

    Yes, and the fact that past Amaranths influence the next. Just as the matter from the previous universe enters the blackhole which becomes a new one. I'm not sure if people take that hypothesis serious these days, but it's what makes sense to me when describing Amaranth and Godheads.

    I also hope I didn't give the impression that the godhead was conscious.

  • Member
    June 27, 2016

    Good to know about the science of it, not sure how well it is received. All M theory all the time now. Yet the transitional process you describe is lovely and needs emphasising for clarity, correct if wrong:

    So, Amaranth is a universe or the person dreaming this new universe - the names are synonymous. The dreamer exists within this universe but also in the new, he sleeps here and his reality is there.

    Anu is our example. After his fight with Padomay and the death of his beloved Nir, he hides in the sun and sleeps. He is in his universe, but the new Amaranth of Anu is our current TES one.

    Likewise, the next Amaranth will be dreamt up here, but will exist over there, another branch on the Dreamsleeve tree.

    And know you didn't. It just entered my thought organ while thinking about how the Godhead is described in sources.

  • Tom
    Member
    June 27, 2016

    See. I'm not sure the Dreamsleeve is that localized. I think the Dreamsleeve surrounds everything, Aetherius, Oblivion, Aubris. If your AE isn't drawn or pulled towards one of these places, you're lost to the Dreamsleeve.

    I'm very fuzzy on this at the moment, but I don't think the Dreamsleeve is "within" or part of the Wheel. The Wheel is inside it. It is named the Dream Sleeve.

  • Tom
    Member
    June 27, 2016

    Essentially? I'm mostly wondering if travel between Amaranths is then possible. Your earlier link sent me down a rabbit hole that makes me think so. The Akaviri/Tsaesci and I'm really wondering about the Yokudans and the Hist now.

    I mean, the Akivir and Yokudans at least are just so different in terms of their creation myths that I'm wondering if they're even from this dream and not a memory from a different one.

  • Member
    June 27, 2016

    That rings about right. Matt, Vel and I were discussing Tava earlier and how she breathed into the sails of the fleeing Yokus.

    Then we made the connection between sun and Tava, interpreted it as a solar wind.

    Factor in the Walkabout and the following of stars and we came up with this Yokudan trans-Amaranth space ship powered by light, traveling through time, space and what have you.

  • Tom
    Member
    June 27, 2016

     the strongest spirits learned to bypass the cycle by moving at strange angles

    That screams of trans-dimension travel to me. Like slipspace or subspace.

  • Member
    June 27, 2016

    Subconscious. Hmm, like the organic feeling that lends it. Like, the Godhead is the canvas upon which the Amaranth blooms, the Dreamsleeve is like all Amaranths' connected subconscious flowing and ebbing around the multiverse of Amaranths. Pretty neat.