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Velothic Commentaries On Sithis

  • Member
    June 26, 2016

    Haha! Well you know I have always been uncomfortable with this level of lore, you used to handle this stuff. :) So go, read up and make this make sense.

  • Member
    June 26, 2016

    Ahh, no worries Medi :)

    It is all just points of view, take what you wish from it but don't let it get in the way of your own interpretations. Just be sure to credit Marelo if you take any of his theories.

  • Tom
    Member
    June 26, 2016

    This is a reply to both Voryn and Phil. I wasn't sure what you two were talking about (I don't play ESO) until I did some searching. I found "The Coiled Path" from ESO.

    This shit's straight up Lorkhan with a bit of Dark Brotherhood's Sithis thrown in. As pointed out in "Two Parts of a Whole Make a Soul", the soul constitutes two parts; the consciousness and anima. Let's take a moment and apply this to gods. The anima or energy of the god is their divine essence. The Earthbones are essentially no different than enchantments on weapons and armor we use souls to empower. Lorkhan is a ghost. He retained his consciousness but lost his divinity.

    The Coiled Path is the Psijjic Endeavor.

    The Coiled Path is more than a road or a river. It is a path to wisdom, to cunning, to insight. Ghost Snake's servants do not see the straight and narrow path. Instead, Ghost Snake grants his blessings so his servants may overcome treachery and hardship. Ghost Snake hisses his wisdom so that his servants may navigate the perils of life.

    Heck, it even has the dangers to zero-summing and getting lost into the Dreamsleeve as mere Memory.

    The Coiled Path is not an easy path to walk, for Ghost Snake does not wish it to be. Ghost Snake hunts the path for prey, and his victims rise as spirits. These spirits forever walk the path's twists and turns, never to escape, until Ghost Snake devours their essence as he consumed their weak flesh

    Except in this case, there's a shit ton of Sithis in here. By zero-summing, you lose yourself. You lose that consciousness. You become,

    ..the space between thoughts. It is the action taken without thought. It is the subconscious.

  • Tom
    Member
    June 26, 2016

    Driving since I posted this, I think I've gone and had myself an epiphany concerning the Dreamsleeve, consciousness, and Sithis.

    And the Hist are sorta the reason. We know they recognize Sithis as being real. We also know they're the ones who give Aronians their souls (unless ESO changed something, I don't play it). We also know souls return to the Dreamsleeve unless otherwise intercepted. I think I just went full circle. Sithis = Subconsciousness = Dreamsleeve. The Hist tie everything together in a neat bow by seeing this.

  • June 26, 2016

    Me after reading this and the comments. 

    I think I understand what I'm reading...

  • Member
    June 26, 2016

    Interesting, Tom. So how does it all work if we consider that the Dreamsleeve, the Arkayn Cylce, always comes back to Mundus?

    I mean, if a person dies their animus or AE goes to their aligned AE, be that Sovngarde, The Far Shores or The Sands Behind The Stars. Yet each of these places is connected to a god. Even Soevngarde is not eternal, heroic souls await the final battle there and once done presumably they also get recycled and put back on Nirn.

    Where I am going with this is that Lorkhan's divine spark is Tamriel, he is very much Mundus. Like:

    The echo of the Void is Oblivion. The echo of Oblivion is now mortal death. Death results in reappropriation of spirit towards its aligned AE—either to the god-planet Aedra or the Principalities of Oblivion. Vehk’s name for this transaction, mentioned above, is “lunar currency”. Loveletter

    So if we think the souls go to their Planets and the Planets are the Gift-Limbs, they are tied to Mundus. A circle. Lorkhan is Mundus and it is his trap:

    Simply put, as the Gods cannot know joy as mortals, their creation, so mortals may only understand the joy of Liberty by becoming the progenitors of the models that can make the jump past mortal death.

    Everyone must go through it until they learn to do what Lorkhan chose to fail at. So if the Hist gave the 'Gonians souls, then the Hist are Lorkhan, no? 

    Soul progress - Life - Death - Aligned AE -  Dreamsleeve -  Mundus - Life - Death - Aligned AE...

    In short, the Moons were and are the two halves of Lorkhan's 'flesh-divinity'. Like the rest of the Gods, Lorkhan was a plane(t) that participated in the Great Construction... except where the Eight lent portions of their heavenly bodies to create the mortal plane(t), Lorkhan's was cracked asunder and his divine spark fell to Nirn as a shooting star "to impregnate it with the measure of its existence and a reasonable amount of selfishness."

    He may have bee the Lunar God but now he is the god of Mundus. Tamriel Ae Daedroth.

  • Member
    June 26, 2016

    xDD

  • Member
    June 26, 2016

    Alright, I will keep that in mind, I just had those questions on my mind a long ago: 

    It was something before Anu? 

    It is possible The Void was always there before Anu?

    And the articles what wrote Marelo Ryan gives some ideas about, and makes me new questions:

    The "Godhead" what is it?, Some kind of energy, light energy, dark energy, is energy at all?

    Would be nice to see your opinion again and other opinions too, If you could answer would be really cool

  • Member
    June 27, 2016

    Very hard to answer this but I think you are on the right track when looking at it from that perspective.

    Perhaps the Godhead is quantum suicide? I am no theoretical physicist so cannot answer the question you ask, but I wonder if it is a quantum thought experiment:

    Of course, that requires the presence of the physicist (the Godhead in this analogy) to begin with. A blank canvas with something already on it is not blank, right? To answer that is like trying to explain how the multiverse was formed. A "what came first" philosophy with no end. "Turtles all the way down" as a philosopher better than I might say.  Is our big bang the only one and what came before it? Impossible to know at the mo.

    An agnostic approach is required I fear yet welcome.

    However quantum theory may have a role to play, especially if the idea of multiple universes and parallel universes are true based on the Many Worlds theory in the vid below:

    So to tie this up without going too deep, it could be that the Godhead, this blank space, is infinite possibility. That any action or combination of actions have an effect which generates causes.

    Like our Suicide Physicist, the Godhead generates universes depending on the actions of those within it. With each pull of the trigger the Suicide Physicist experiences, a new reality is created. In one he is dead, the other he is alive, in another the gun goes off but backfires etc, etc...

  • Tom
    Member
    June 27, 2016

    You have no idea how frustrated I am. Literally spent the last ten minutes typing a response to Medieval when internet explorer stopped working and I lost it.

    Very nearly smashed my laptop screen. >.< You seem to have a more eloquent response which mine would've been the gist of what you said.

    EDIT: In brief of my brief.

    Before Anu? I want basically a multiverse with many amaranths branching from each other like some giant fractal or generational tree. Like a vast evolutionary tree of Amaranths. The TES story only goes as deep as Anu, and I'm find if that's it. It's a great story either way, I think.

    The Void, etc. I think this languae needs to be extremely tight. Explain what you mean by "The Void" and "before" because these ideas are incredibly vague as is.

    Godhead. I see it like a blackhole that blossoms into another universe. It is a person becoming the seed that influences and sets the rules for the Amaranth that emerges.