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Relation Between House Dagoth and House Telvanni?

  • January 20, 2016

    Ok so this is almost purely baseless speculation but I think it's cool so I'm going to throw it out there anyway. There is a book in ESO called  Mottos of the Great Dunmeri Houses that lists all the mottos and Patron Saints for each of the Great Houses of Morrowind. One part that has got some people talking is this:

    House Telvanni: "The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors."
    - Saint Vorys the Immolant is the patron saint of House Telvanni.

    So as far as I know this "Saint Vorys the Immolant" has never been mentioned other than in this book and some people have speculated that it is actually a reference to Voryn Dagoth as some sort of snide joke by House Telvanni. I can actually see this since the Telvanni don't give a shit about the Temple or their religion and I can just imagine a bunch of haughty Wizard Lords laughing over how clever there joke is that there Patron Saint is the Devil. This is something real world societies and upper crust families have actually done.

    However this is not my theory. My theory and own personal headcanon (that none of you can take away from me ) is that House Dagoth lives on in the upper echelon of House Telvanni. As we know after the War of the First Council and Voryn died (and was reborn) under Red Mountain, House Dagoth was disbanded and the members amalgamated in to the other Great Houses. I am of the opinion that the majority of them would have been claimed by House Telvanni beacuse of course they would. All that forbidden knowledge? There is no way the Telvanni would let that slip away from them and I just imagine those of the Dagoth bloodline who still here the Sharmat's song slowly gaining higher standing year after year.

    Now the question is, what could the Telvanni under the control of the Sixth House be getting up to on there mysterious semi-autonomous island that was never hit by the Red Year for all this time?      

  • January 20, 2016

    I like it, Veloth.

    Sorry for being overly logical here, but I wonder about one thing. If the Sixth House members were accepted into other houses, what are the chances they would remain loyal to the Sixth House, especially over the generations? At first, maybe, but generation after generation of their children growing up in different House with different customs...they would be slowly absorbed into Telvanni. After time, they wouldn´t be Sixth House member who are now part of Telvanni. They would be Telvanni.

    Even if they heard the Sharmat´s song, it would be only indistinctive hum at first, any maybe by the time of the beginning of Third Era it would be more. At least I think.

  • January 20, 2016

    It's true as you say that the descendants of the many people in House Dagoth that became members of other houses wouldn't even know what there true bloodline is but we do know that the Sharmat's song can resurface from time to time, from War of the First Council to the events of Poison Song to the Red Year and maybe even to Miraak if the theories are correct so we know it can and does control those of the Sixth House. Also I would say that would be doubly so for the Telvanni who would be trying to study it extensively.

  • January 20, 2016

    I actually haven´t read the Poison Song, so that´s something I should do very soon. 

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    January 21, 2016

    Interesting stuff, Pilgrim

    I get that the Telvanni would be an attractive house to the Sixth House remnants but is there anything to support it? I mean, can we link any House Dagoth NPC in Morrowind to the Telvanni to be our precedent?

  • January 30, 2016

    It's just an idea I like, not sure how concrete it is though. It's been a while since I played Morrowind (since my laptop broke) so I'm not really remembering if there are much actual connections. Old Divayth Fyr sure is interested in it though.