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Mauloch/Malacath/Trinimac?

  • January 8, 2016

    Karphiliss? Hm, scratch that, that sounds like some sexual disease....

  • January 8, 2016

    Hmm, that's kinda hilarious))

    But seriously, do you really think Auri-El was that petty?))

  • January 8, 2016

    Wow, this is some crazy shit. Do you imply that Auri-El might have set Trinimac up? That he wanted him to...change?

    Damn! I like that!

  • January 8, 2016

    Uh, yeah, and then he, I think, really repents, which could explain some of his later contradictory behavior (almost pro-man if he is sort of associated with Akatosh) and what happens during Dawnguard. I can't do right by Trinimac, because he's now something else, but I can atone another way. 

    I am a fan of split personality gods and multiple deity functions. I think mortals, to some extent, split gods up to make digesting what they do much easier. No way a single person can do this and do this, so let's split them up so our minds can process it better. This is all dawn era and Merithic crap. They didn't even have writing yet. That's something the Aldmer create during the Merethic era. 

    Perhaps even Auri-El himself undergoes his own transformation and prepare for ultimate possibly wrong crazy, but he no longer is Auri-El but Akatosh. The battle between Auri-El and Akatosh is a psychological battle in addition to possibly being a physical one. Pettiness vs Penitence. King becomes Bormah, the Father, which perhaps explains the such zen Auri-El you see later, the dragons that guard the inner sanctum, the relinquishing of his weapons to you, TLD. They are different, yet both associated with time and I've seen some great theories that they are different and they work, but... 

    That being said, I also have my theories on Auri-El and Hermaeus Mora, so I'm just throwing stuff at you at this point. 

    See, the thing is that you have this idea or preference that they have to be somehow above humanity and mortality and I think that in many societies, gods are a reflection of us. They are what we want to be, what we hope and aspire to be. What greater story can there be than a story of ultimate redemption. That a god can see beyong what he's done and literally rise to become something better. If a god can do it, so can we. There is hope. Yes, it humanizes gods to some extent, but to the Altmer, they were ancestors once. There has to be that connection there, Thorien, otherwise why even bother with worship?

    I know, I know, I'm crazy and all this is wrong. 

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    January 8, 2016

    Well if mortals have dark sides, why can't gods?

    You do have a point there Lissette, a king would do ANYTHING to remain popular even if it means getting a bit dirty.

  • January 8, 2016

    I will have to get back to this, there is a lot of stuff in ESO: Orsinium that might mean Trinimac is still around.

  • January 8, 2016

    I think mortals, to some extent, split gods up to make digesting what they do much easier. No way a single person can do this and do this, so let's split them up so our minds can process it better. 

    Just what I had been trying to say)) Lissette, you know how I adore you, don't you?))

    Although I refuse to believe that Auri-El could be that primitive. What kind of a god would he be then? Pettier than lowest mortals, pfft, no impossible.

    in many societies, gods are a reflection of us. They are what we want to be, what we hope and aspire to be.

    This is totally true, and I see in many cases, that this also serves the mortals as a justification of their flaws. If a god can be that flawed, so it's ok if we can too. And this is why I don't believe in such gods, both in RL and in fiction. I refuse to agree with such weak, petty self-justification that lets people indulge their flaws instead of changing for the better.

    For me, the gods are beings who are wise and unhindered by petty complexes and see the true nature and purpose of things, not a bunch of blind ignorant fools. If a mortal knows more than a god, what is a point in following such a god?

    I believe that the gods do see beyond what mortals know, and this is the source of the Aldmeri pride, that they are descendants of such beings and have a potential to ascend and become like them. 

    Thus I believe that, just like you said, the whole split personalities thing if made up by mortals. The gods know why they do this and that, it is definitely a part of a bigger purpose that the mortals don't see.

    I'm just weird, I know)) I tend to try and see the things from the gods' perspective instead of the mortals who worship them, that way is's easier to understand what's really going on. And the whole Amaranth thing doesn't let me go, so... 

    Please, forgive this Thalmor bitch her stubornness)

  • January 8, 2016

    If ESO has some information on Trinimac...bring it on! I would really appreciate it, Shaun.

  • January 8, 2016

    It might take me a while since I cant get on the PS4 much now but I know there is a lot of it. Pretty much the entirety of Orsinium worship trinimac and a priesthood called the Vosh Rakh use Trinimac bases spells similar to how the Dunmer used Tribunal ones in Morrowind. I'm sure there is more I haven't seen, I'm not very far in it.

  • January 8, 2016

    I heard about Vosh Rakh, but...I thought that´s a Gortwog´s Orsinium thing. I thought that only Gortwog´s Orsinium worshipped Trinimac. So they did worship him in Second Era too?

    Crap, I had no idea. Is there some schism between traditionalistic Orcs and Trinimac worshippers too?