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Mauloch/Malacath/Trinimac?

• Paws

  

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  January 8, 2016

  That's a awesome interpretation

  That's a awesome interpretation

• Justiciar Thorien

  

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  January 8, 2016

  I have a guess about the Daedra (though probably it's just as silly as the rest of my guesses, lol)

  I have observed that each one of the Daedra walks their own way. They did not participate in the Creation and each one has overgone some change, that's what makes them 'Sithian beings of change'. They have each their own little world in Oblivion, separated from the others, and they often conflict with each other.

  I think the change they have overgone (voluntarily or not) is what makes them the Daedra, not what they were from the start.

  Given enough time and enough believers of a story involving the goddess of love getting her heart broken, Mara could conceivably become Malacath

  I doubt she would become Malacath, she'd probably be something new entirely. And for such thing to happen something much more drastic thn time and someone's belief is needed - something like a conversation with Boethia. Maybe it could have happened in some c0da)))

  I have a guess about the Daedra (though probably it's just as silly as the rest of my guesses, lol)

  I have observed that each one of the Daedra walks their own way. They did not participate in the Creation and each one has overgone some change, that's what makes them 'Sithian beings of change'. They have each their own little world in Oblivion, separated from the others, and they often conflict with each other.

  I think the change they have overgone (voluntarily or not) is what makes them the Daedra, not what they were from the start.

  Given enough time and enough believers of a story involving the goddess of love getting her heart broken, Mara could conceivably become Malacath

  I doubt she would become Malacath, she'd probably be something new entirely. And for such thing to happen something much more drastic thn time and someone's belief is needed - something like a conversation with Boethia. Maybe it could have happened in some c0da)))

• Karver the Lorc

  

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  January 8, 2016

  Trust me, mate, I ´ve been thinking about this a lot, because I included Dunmer slaves in my Cursed Tribe. Slaves of Orcs! It certainly raised some controversy and I only hinted it a little bit, but this particular "step forward" in Adal Matar´s society will play big part very soon, 3-4 chapters away from now.

  Oh, and I´ve been thinking about one thing. It connects to my discussion about Knights in Classics, but also to Trinimac/Malacath here.

  Let´s just play little game. Imagine Malacath as pure representation of the Code of Mauloch. What do you think about? I think about Knight.

  Trinimac was Knight, but Malacath isn´t that different from him, he only went down more...primal path.

  Let´s take a look at the Code.

  Do not steal. Do not kill your kin .Do not attack without cause.

  The requirement that insults to honor must be avenged.

  Add to that the thing that you must settle your problems yourselves and what I see is pretty much a Knight´s code of honor. Yet where Knight would have "Protect the weak from strong", this code has one big hovering sentence above this. "Don´t be weak, be strong."

  And that´s where it goes down the hill towards more barbaric/tribal/savage Code. The chief being the Alpha Male and all that.

  So the difference between Trinimac and Malacath? The lack of civilization.

  Trust me, mate, I ´ve been thinking about this a lot, because I included Dunmer slaves in my Cursed Tribe. Slaves of Orcs! It certainly raised some controversy and I only hinted it a little bit, but this particular "step forward" in Adal Matar´s society will play big part very soon, 3-4 chapters away from now.

  Oh, and I´ve been thinking about one thing. It connects to my discussion about Knights in Classics, but also to Trinimac/Malacath here.

  Let´s just play little game. Imagine Malacath as pure representation of the Code of Mauloch. What do you think about? I think about Knight.

  Trinimac was Knight, but Malacath isn´t that different from him, he only went down more...primal path.

  Let´s take a look at the Code.

  Do not steal. Do not kill your kin .Do not attack without cause.

  The requirement that insults to honor must be avenged.

  Add to that the thing that you must settle your problems yourselves and what I see is pretty much a Knight´s code of honor. Yet where Knight would have "Protect the weak from strong", this code has one big hovering sentence above this. "Don´t be weak, be strong."

  And that´s where it goes down the hill towards more barbaric/tribal/savage Code. The chief being the Alpha Male and all that.

  So the difference between Trinimac and Malacath? The lack of civilization.

• The Long-Chapper

  

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  January 8, 2016

  Crazy thoughts, 'cause it's what I do. 

  Maybe he didn't like what Auri-El did to Lorhkan and he was punished for that too. There was once something I read a while back about Auri-El deliberately seeking Boethiah out for a little corruption, but I don't remember.

  Auri-El is a fascinating god to me. All zen in Dawnguard, but blah, so bloody and terrible with grudges.  

  Crazy thoughts, 'cause it's what I do. 

  Maybe he didn't like what Auri-El did to Lorhkan and he was punished for that too. There was once something I read a while back about Auri-El deliberately seeking Boethiah out for a little corruption, but I don't remember.

  Auri-El is a fascinating god to me. All zen in Dawnguard, but blah, so bloody and terrible with grudges.  

• Justiciar Thorien

  

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  January 8, 2016

  Whoa, but it was actually Trinimac, who did that to Lorkhan. He ripped out his heart and then Auriel shot it into the sea with his bow. Something's off here...

  Btw, I'm starting to suspect more and more that there's something more complicated than just grudges)

  Whoa, but it was actually Trinimac, who did that to Lorkhan. He ripped out his heart and then Auriel shot it into the sea with his bow. Something's off here...

  Btw, I'm starting to suspect more and more that there's something more complicated than just grudges)

• Paws

  

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  January 8, 2016

  Lore collab, Phil?

  It would be an honour and a pleasure, sir  Give me some time because I have a few things on the go such as resuming those interviews but I see no reason why this couldn't be an ongoing project we could share.

  Alternatively, if you do fancy tackling it yourself I stand by my assertion that you're the man for the job  When's that avatar going to change? 

  Lore collab, Phil?

  It would be an honour and a pleasure, sir  Give me some time because I have a few things on the go such as resuming those interviews but I see no reason why this couldn't be an ongoing project we could share.

  Alternatively, if you do fancy tackling it yourself I stand by my assertion that you're the man for the job  When's that avatar going to change? 

• The Long-Chapper

  

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  January 8, 2016

  Trinimac was Auri-El's knight. Auri-El was in charge of the forces and let's now look at that Trinimac's worship supplanted Auri-El's in some Aldmer/Altmer lands. He was worshiped more because he was actually the one who pulled the heart out. Uh... that perhaps rubbed a certain God-King the wrong way? Lorhkan did promise that Auri-El would rule when Mundus was created and now look, Trinimac is getting all the glory. 

  Trinimac was a prominent god of the early Aldmer; in some places, he was even more popular than Auri-El. He was a warrior spirit of the original elven tribes that led armies against mankind, and was known as the strongest of all the et'Ada who wandered Nirn.

  He was also credited with spreading word of what happened with Lorkhan, almost a bit of a traveling preacher, lol, the Preacher knight and other things. A bit of a Pelinal figure among the Elves, if you ask me, very bloody, very violent, and very popular. 

  Auri-El, however, was their king and what happens when your greatest knight begins to eclipse you? Hmm...

  The great knight becomes the outcast. 

  Trinimac was Auri-El's knight. Auri-El was in charge of the forces and let's now look at that Trinimac's worship supplanted Auri-El's in some Aldmer/Altmer lands. He was worshiped more because he was actually the one who pulled the heart out. Uh... that perhaps rubbed a certain God-King the wrong way? Lorhkan did promise that Auri-El would rule when Mundus was created and now look, Trinimac is getting all the glory. 

  Trinimac was a prominent god of the early Aldmer; in some places, he was even more popular than Auri-El. He was a warrior spirit of the original elven tribes that led armies against mankind, and was known as the strongest of all the et'Ada who wandered Nirn.

  He was also credited with spreading word of what happened with Lorkhan, almost a bit of a traveling preacher, lol, the Preacher knight and other things. A bit of a Pelinal figure among the Elves, if you ask me, very bloody, very violent, and very popular. 

  Auri-El, however, was their king and what happens when your greatest knight begins to eclipse you? Hmm...

  The great knight becomes the outcast. 

• Karver the Lorc

  

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  January 8, 2016

  Changed.

  Actually, I would prefer to start in late January. I have my hands full with writing the Short Story for AMOST, doing Oblivion build and being Lissette´s little screenshot bitch

  Changed.

  Actually, I would prefer to start in late January. I have my hands full with writing the Short Story for AMOST, doing Oblivion build and being Lissette´s little screenshot bitch

• The Long-Chapper

  

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  January 8, 2016

  HAHA!

  And a good little Orc bitch you have been, Karver. *throws you a piece of meat*. That is one grumpy-looking avatar. 

  @Phil, yep I need to work on that interview stuff too. January is a wild month. 

  HAHA!

  And a good little Orc bitch you have been, Karver. *throws you a piece of meat*. That is one grumpy-looking avatar. 

  @Phil, yep I need to work on that interview stuff too. January is a wild month. 

• Paws

  

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  January 8, 2016

  Certainly is but it's a good start too. Hell there's even an enantiomorph there too: Lissette and Karver working on a project, Karver and Phil working on a project and Lissette and Phil working on a project.

  What should we call that oversoul?

  Certainly is but it's a good start too. Hell there's even an enantiomorph there too: Lissette and Karver working on a project, Karver and Phil working on a project and Lissette and Phil working on a project.

  What should we call that oversoul?