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Pseudo-Lore: The Towers and Tower Stones

  • Member
    July 17, 2014

    So what, according to this book, Ayleids created 8 Divines? If MK writing style wasn't that hard to decipher his followers wouldn't have that much trouble! 

    Could have created eight new divines. Dancing? Towers, Staff of Chaos Towers? Sounds like a failed attempt at a Dragon Break to me and we know Marukhati succeeded in altering Akatosh.

    It's a head fuck, no arguments there

    What I'm saying isn't just about Kirkbride. It's all the writers inspiring each other and still doing so. Just because one of them left doesn't discredit the stuff before or since - it's all connected and we see it time and time again surfacing in game. It's like the current writers and devs throw just enough of MKs stuff in and mix a bit of their own stuff to create something familiar yet new to keep us talking.

    After that it tells the story of the eighth segment - Segment One and how it stabilized Elden Root.How Anumaril attempted to recreate White-Gold Tower but failed. So what, there are 7 towers now? And what happens to other graht-oak trees? They continue to normally function, or they stop moving as well? There is at least one tree that continued to move, Falinesti, and according to that very book, all those trees were connected in one "dance". I don't believe such drastic change would not have had big consequences for all graht-oak trees. 

    You got me, I don't know. I thought there were ten Towers in out-of-game references, but these seven probably didn't include the Numidium because it hadn't happened at the time of this book's writing.

    Once again, his writings need a clear mind, a ton of references, and a cipher to understand. And when you dig deep enough you find that he either a) operates with very unclear subjects like what Divines do and don't do and therefore there is no way to prove whether he's right or wrong b) contradicts existing lore like in the above-mentioned case

    You say that like it's a bad thing. The Monomyth tells it plain:

    Finally, the magical beings of Mythic Aurbis told the ultimate story -- that of their own death. For some this was an artistic transfiguration into the concrete, non-magical substance of the world. For others, this was a war in which all were slain, their bodies becoming the substance of the world. For yet others, this was a romantic marriage and parenthood, with the parent spirits naturally having to die and give way to the succeeding mortal races. 

    How are we ever going to firmly establish what is true or what is not, what the divines do and what they don't when it is just stories remembered differently by different people? All we can do is find that which rings true for us, our own personal canon which is arrived at only by examining all the data available.

  • Member
    July 17, 2014

    My "canon" is, they are divines, gods, their reasons, if there are any, can't be comprehended by mortals. That's what is true to me, I don't even try to understand TES gods, I just look at how can the tasks they give benefit my characters. That's why I prefer to stay away from metaphysics. Actually, it's the case both in TES and real life for me 

  • Member
    July 17, 2014

    You'd be right from my point of view. During Feeney's debate about the gods in his article, we found a beautiful theory that put forth the idea that the destruction of Yokuda, the Pankratosword and the Left Handed Elves were all part of an attempt by the Yokudans to get to the Far Shores. Now, to dismiss such a brilliantly researched idea as non-canon is not fair. There is very little data to go on and most of it out of game, but the author ties in so many elements or Redguard culture that it rings true. It has become Monkey-Truth.

  • Member
    July 17, 2014

    What in Mass Effect in particular Vaz?

    Good point Chris.

    Shor, good for you. Create your personal canon and discuss it with us in the lore group. If these things don't get discussed, if ideas cannot circulate and germinate inspiration in others, what's the point of a lore group?

    We are creative in every other area of this site, lets be creative here.

  • Member
    July 17, 2014

    My "canon" is, they are divines, gods, their reasons, if there are any, can't be comprehended by mortals. That's what is true to me, I don't even try to understand TES gods, I just look at how can the tasks they give benefit my characters. That's why I prefer to stay away from metaphysics. Actually, it's the case both in TES and real life for me 

    Very wise Vazgen  

  • Member
    July 17, 2014

    For example, the state of different countries on Earth, relations with colonies, history of colonization...

  • Member
    July 17, 2014

    I hadn't thought of it like that. And what's the deal with race exclusions? Why aren't there any Turians born on Thessia, or Salarians born on Palaven? If that happened, would a Turian be thought of as Asari, with the same rights and so forth on that planet?

  • Member
    July 17, 2014
    See? You just have to ask the right questions :) I figured it out when decided to write a backstory for my Shepard ;) In ME it's even worse cause 90% of lore comes only from codex. Dragon Age at least has more info coming from dialogue and in-game events. About Turians born on Thessia, it's unlikely due to a different DNA structure. Living there would be very hard and expensive. As for the rights, I imagine same rights and laws as an asari with the exclusion of asari-specific things like Ardat-Yakshi monastery exile etc.
  • Member
    July 17, 2014

    Dude, you rustled some of your jimmies into my soup, brah.

    Who rustled 'em Henson?

  • Member
    August 1, 2014

    Oh come on, everyone know what really happens when you destroy all the towers...

    A combine portal opens above the throat of the world and commander shepard comes out and summons Galactus, as foretold by darth vader on planet vulcan using the demon crown. Galactus then uses the Apple of Eden to summon Bowser who sh*ts out a magic cyberdemon that uses a portal gun to call forth liberty prime who kills all the communist thalmor and then sacrifices himself and causes an emission which gives birth to a goat wearing a nanosuit named victor reznov who then goes to hotel mario to cause Sheogorath to explode.

    It's completely canon.