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Is Michael Kirkbride reliable?

  • August 4, 2013
    I've recently been reading some of Kirkbride's posts, and some of them are very interesting. But are these a reliable source? Some sound interesting, but others are outlandish and downright silly (the Void Nights being a eugenics experiment, a sword technique that destroyed an island, etc). So I would like a more educated opinion on the reliability of these.
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    November 17, 2016

    The way I see it, Kirkbridian lore is basically the "Legends" of TESLore. For those familiar with Star Wars will know what I mean. 

    Or if you want another alegory, the "MLP Comic Canon" of TESlore. 

    No, it's not really "canon" per se as none of his more "advanced" stuff is actually in the game in any form (IE Landfall, C0DA, Histships, time traveling robots, etc). Canon is what appears in-game as ingame events, or is written in books or spoken is dialogue (but even then, only in the sense that these books and dialogue exist. Example: The Lusty Argonian Maid is canon, because there is a book in the games called "The Lusty Argonian Maid". Whether or not there actually was an Argonian Maid that did lewd things with her lord polished spears and baked bread is where canon ends and opinion begins.

    The Towers. This is arguably canon. There is a book that explicitly mentions towers (Book of the Dragonborn). The existance of this book is canon. The words written in them are canon. The fact that there is at least one author that refers to them as "towers" is canon. What is not canon however is their effects. It merely mentions them, it doesn't mention what they do or mention any thalmor plot to destroy them or any way to "shut them off" or whatnot, nor does anything else. All of that is out of game lore, which isn't anywhere in any of the games in any form and therefore is not canon.

    Then there's the other stuff. Landfall, c0da, 5th era loveletter, etc. These are explicitly not canon. They do not appear anywhere. They are not refered to by anyone or anything. The events they describe do not occur in the game(for obvious reasons).

    This is why I think the people here and on /r/teslore who want to "end canon" really have no idea what they're even talking about, really. Canon is not a big scary boogyman that wants to tell you that you can't have a certain opinion. If anything it allows more freedom by removing the kirkbridian elements that would take the mystery of TES away. Canon simply tells you what items exist in universe and what doesn't, not what opinion or interpretation to form about them.