The Weekend Roundtable: Is Skyrim 'dumbed down'?

  • Way back on the old Skyrim Blog site we had 'weekend roundtables' as a matter of course - and they proved popular. So I thought it would be cool to bring them back onto the site.

    Remember these 'roundtables' are for sensible and intelligent debate. One-word replies, ill-considered responses or any kind of spamming will simply be deleted.

    This week, I'm interested to know - now that we've all had access to Skyrim for the best part of a year - whether you think that Skyrim was 'dumbed down' in comparison with Oblivion and - in particular - Morrowind? Here's something I read on another (lesser) Skyrim forum:

    Is it that I am getting older or is Skyrim really not as good as Oblivion which was not as good as Morrowind? To me, Skyrim's predecessors offered more in the way of flexibility of gameplay and character customization. Now in Skyrim we have a sickeningly dumbed down version of leveling up and character creation. Are the other games just too hard for the average player? I do not think so.

    I'm all for improving a game, but now that I have played through Skyrim (100+ hours and every major quest) I can give my opinion. My opinion is...Why? Why did Bethesda feel the necessity to take the game in such an insulting direction? The graphics are beautiful and the game is very good (gross amount of glitches aside), but it simply does not live up to the expectations and standards set by previous Elder Scrolls games.

    Still one of the best games of the year, but not as good as it should have been. Maybe Skyrim (for me) is a victim of previous great games in the series. Or maybe the developers need to develop a little more respect for gamers.

    Now, I'm old enough and wizened enough to have played The Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall when it first came out in 1996. Yeah, I know, I'm a nostalgic old geezer with far too much time on his hands! But, anyway, the reality is that Daggerfall offered a staggering selection of 38 skills to choose from - as compared to just 18 in Skyrim. Honestly, I don't ever recall using the Medical or Backstabbing skills, or learning 'Giantish' so I could walk through a Giant camp without being killed. But anyway, it was there if I wanted to use it.

    In Morrowind we had spells for feather, water walking and levitation; we had spears to fight with; and we had no less than nine separate Guilds and Factions to join - all with considerably longer questlines than anything in Skyrim. Heck even as recently as Oblivion we had the ability to make our own spells!

    Of course back in 1996, The Elder Scrolls was PC only. Since then we had the rise of console gaming, indeed it has become so all-powerful that the X-Box has become the 'lead platform' as we arrive at Skyrim. Perhaps a certain amount of 'dumbing down' - or could it be 'refinement' - is inevitable to cater for the needs and aspirations of a different generation and attitude of gamer?

    So is the poster that I quoted above making a fair point? Or is it all just misplaced nostalgia from old fogeys such as myself? I should add that I'm making the points here in a deliberately provocative manner, simply to stimulate debate....

Comments

24 Comments
  • Tony Maund
    Tony Maund   ·  October 19, 2012
    I think he has a point as far as Skyrim/Oblivion is concerned. I can't really comment on Morrowind as I have never played it in full. As an rpger of long standing I cut my teeth on games like Myst and Doom back in 1993. Fairly new to computer gaming I dev...  more
  • Cashew Kasha
    Cashew Kasha   ·  October 19, 2012
    If I where to solely judge Skyrim's complexity from my own personal experience with TES games. I would argue that Skyrim trades off its difficulty in certain areas. Combat feels more complex, smithing feels dumbed down, alchemy feels more complex, skill m...  more
  • John Rodriguez
    John Rodriguez   ·  October 19, 2012
    I can't stand this! It's even haunting my nightmare's for so long. The elder scrolls games have gotten smaller and smaller and even though the leveling is better in skyrim, I hope that a DLC will save this game from being put on the shelf forever (like Br...  more
  • The Volkihar Lord
    The Volkihar Lord   ·  October 18, 2012
    The game certaintly needs more content. The questlines were too short. Let's say about the main questline. When i first played Skyrim, I expected a very big main quest, but it took me only some hours to complete it. And all the other factions, like the DB...  more
  • Eviltrain
    Eviltrain   ·  October 14, 2012
    I can't say I feel Skyrim has been dumbed down, though I only have Oblivion to compare it too. Frankly, the limited scope of magic can be made to make sense. This is Skyrim, full of magic haters and a distant corner from the cosmopolitan center. Though, i...  more
  • Ronald Hedgeborg
    Ronald Hedgeborg   ·  October 14, 2012
    No matter how long I play it doesn`t get me to take a break from the game. It is oppsite to the other ES games (Oblivion and Morrowind). 
    I think it is not dumbed down, because it offers me more interesting world and things to do than Oblivion and Morrowind.
  • Imeera
    Imeera   ·  October 14, 2012
    I am a bit late to this discussion but yes, I do think its dumbed down too. Though I still think its a great game; Skyrim feels soulless to me. Oblivion and Morrowind had so much character and though they weren't perfect, but they were great. Skyrim is  s...  more
  • Knowledgeable Wanderer
    Knowledgeable Wanderer   ·  October 14, 2012
    Reading these comments, I feel the need to say a few things, though I'm quite a few hours late to the party.
    Spell making? I'd only support that if they limited us to a few hundred options at most, only linking spells that would make sense together....  more
  • Paul
    Paul   ·  October 13, 2012
    There's some excellent comments on this thread. Thanks to everyone - we've missed the Weekend Roundtables and its good to have the in-depth discussion that they provide. It would be even better if the Ning platform gave us threaded comments on blogs, so p...  more
  • Dieter
    Dieter   ·  October 13, 2012
    Yes, they dumbed it down, I very much agree with that. However, the change from Daggerfall to Morrowind was a good way of dumbing down, Daggerfall just had too many skills which where kinda stupid, and the spell where very OP too at high levels like spell...  more