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Perhaps we could get creative with the sources? I remembered this thread on the subject, it isn't long, but maybe it will trigger something? The thing which is most fun about the Daedric Princes is that they are what they are, by and large. That is to say, they completely embody their spheres. You could say that Sheogorath is the Prince of madness, for example, but it could be more accurate to actually say Sheogorath is madness. Does that makes sense? Sometimes if we shift our perspectives just a bit, we can have a bit of fun.

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Brilliant Paws, simply brilliant! And it does make sense, I'm just having a seriously hard time findign much about Namira... then again if she is ancient darkness there probably isn't much to find ;)

I've looked into the Khajit side of Namiira a bit, just like Phil I've grown more and more enamoured with these strange cats. I believe that for the Khajit, Namiira's ancient darkness may not be as litteral as the other races see it. Where elves and men see it as the darkness after the light of life has faded, I think Khajit see it as a darkness of the mind. A mental state to that brings even the strongest of the Khajit to their knees if they aren't careful. Essentially she is a personnification of mental illnesses.

In the Khajit creation myth, described here: https://www.imperial-library.info/content/words-clan-mother-ahnissi-her-favored-daughter

Namiira is described as the darkness to which Fadomai flees after she is beaten by her mate. A darkness that infects and corrupts the mind of her newborn; Lorkhaj and eventually leads him to the events we associate with Lorkhan's heart and the creation of mundus.

Another indication that leads me to think she is a state of mind, potentially similar to depression, is a quote from Moon Bishop Hunal in The Trail and tide Questions:

Skooma is the scourge of our people; its continued usage inevitably leads a Khajiit into the Darks.

Note his use of the word darks, which he ascribes earlier in the same source to Namiira and Lorkhaj's corruption of the Khajits' minds. So what we basically have here is that addiction leads to a khajit being brought into Namiira's darkness.

I'm taking a lot of liberties here so I wouldn't say this idea works for everyone but let's just summarize what I've got to support my little theory so far:

• Namiira is the place Fadomai flees to after she is beaten by the one she loves
• Namiira corrompts the minds of Khajits
• Namiira is the darkness you'll eventually go to if you get addicted to Skooma.

Is it solid evidence? No, but I thought you might appreciate it.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Teineeva]Teineeva[/url] said:[/b]

I've looked into the Khajit side of Namiira a bit, just like Phil I've grown more and more enamoured with these strange cats. I believe that for the Khajit, Namiira's ancient darkness may not be as litteral as the other races see it. Where elves and men see it as the darkness after the light of life has faded, I think Khajit see it as a darkness of the mind. A mental state to that brings even the strongest of the Khajit to their knees if they aren't careful. Essentially she is a personnification of mental illnesses.

In the Khajit creation myth, described here: https://www.imperial-library.info/content/words-clan-mother-ahnissi-her-favored-daughter

Namiira is described as the darkness to which Fadomai flees after she is beaten by her mate. A darkness that infects and corrupts the mind of her newborn; Lorkhaj and eventually leads him to the events we associate with Lorkhan's heart and the creation of mundus.

Another indication that leads me to think she is a state of mind, potentially similar to depression, is a quote from Moon Bishop Hunal in The Trail and tide Questions:

Skooma is the scourge of our people; its continued usage inevitably leads a Khajiit into the Darks.

Note his use of the word darks, which he ascribes earlier in the same source to Namiira and Lorkhaj's corruption of the Khajits' minds. So what we basically have here is that addiction leads to a khajit being brought into Namiira's darkness.

I'm taking a lot of liberties here so I wouldn't say this idea works for everyone but let's just summarize what I've got to support my little theory so far:

• Namiira is the place Fadomai flees to after she is beaten by the one she loves
• Namiira corrompts the minds of Khajits
• Namiira is the darkness you'll eventually go to if you get addicted to Skooma.

Is it solid evidence? No, but I thought you might appreciate it.

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I 100% love this ^ If we factor in the info from the other thread I linked to:

She doesn't seem to. Her priestess during the Oblivion Crisis, Hjolfrodi the Harrier, responds to your desire to speak to Namira with the following if your Personality (Charisma) is too high:

"You do? You are too pretty to worship in this place. People like you. Like to hear you talk. When you are more loathesome, you may return."

Once you've made yourself less appealing she'll say:

You are repulsive, displeasing to the eye. Namira might find favor in you. Approach."

I think you have something very compelling. Also to add, Madness was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed. There is a certain parallel with Namira in this context.

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Paws]Paws[/url] said:[/b]

I think you have something very compelling. Also to add, Madness was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed. There is a certain parallel with Namira in this context.

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So if madness was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed, that would mean Lorkhan was Order, kind of like my theory I have had. Also, couldn't Namira represent the darker side of one's mind like cannibalism and other taboos, while good ole Uncle Sheo represents mental illness like Schizophrenia, BLPD, PTSD, and such forth.?

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[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Paws]Paws[/url] said:[/b]

I think you have something very compelling. Also to add, Madness was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed. There is a certain parallel with Namira in this context.

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So if madness was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed, that would mean Lorkhan was Order, kind of like my theory I have had. Also, couldn't Namira represent the darker side of one's mind like cannibalism and other taboos, while good ole Uncle Sheo represents mental illness like Schizophrenia, BLPD, PTSD, and such forth.?

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Well according to the source I linked, Sheogorath is the god of skooma because people on skooma tend to go a bit nuts. I said skooma leads to Namiira in large doses so I would say that Sheogorath's madness is nothing but a gateway to Namiira.

I also think there's nuances between what Sheo represents and what Namiira represents. I think Namiira represents the darker corners of our minds and the mental illnesses and other emotions that spawn there; depression, addiction, desperation, fear, hate and indeed some dark desires one may be inclined to such as cannibalism for example. Sheo on the other hand is the madness and creativity. I'm not sure if I'm delimiting this right here. What I'm trying to say is that Sheo is irrationality and creativity and through his affliction one can gain a certain sense of clarity, whereas Namiira represents the darkness in everyone's mind; a darkness mortals have become ensnared in since Fadomai fled to it to hide from her mate.

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[blockquote][b][url=/profile/ErikUlfrblod]Potemus[/url] said:[/b]

[blockquote][b][url=/profile/Paws]Paws[/url] said:[/b]

I think you have something very compelling. Also to add, Madness was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed. There is a certain parallel with Namira in this context.

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So if madness was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed, that would mean Lorkhan was Order, kind of like my theory I have had. Also, couldn't Namira represent the darker side of one's mind like cannibalism and other taboos, while good ole Uncle Sheo represents mental illness like Schizophrenia, BLPD, PTSD, and such forth.?

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Well according to the source I linked, Sheogorath is the god of skooma because people on skooma tend to go a bit nuts. I said skooma leads to Namiira in large doses so I would say that Sheogorath's madness is nothing but a gateway to Namiira.

I also think there's nuances between what Sheo represents and what Namiira represents. I think Namiira represents the darker corners of our minds and the mental illnesses and other emotions that spawn there; depression, addiction, desperation, fear, hate and indeed some dark desires one may be inclined to such as cannibalism for example. Sheo on the other hand is the madness and creativity. I'm not sure if I'm delimiting this right here. What I'm trying to say is that Sheo is irrationality and creativity and through his affliction one can gain a certain sense of clarity, whereas Namiira represents the darkness in everyone's mind; a darkness mortals have become ensnared in since Fadomai fled to it to hide from her mate.

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I don't think Namiira represnts mental illness like Sheo does, but I do understand your point. The only reason why I think Sheo is mental illness is that there have been mentally ill people before who have done great things or created great things. Even people on drugs make great things look at Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, and such all had drug problems, but end up making great music.

I think the darkness in everyone's mind could be anything considered evil like cannibalism, murder, necrophilia, and such forth. That is just from a psychology standpoint though. I do see your point, though, but I still think Sheo is Illness and Namiria is the darker desire of man, elf, or beast.

Wow guys, you really dug up all the candu this time. Thank you for all the information, might take me some time to actually understand what it's saying, but yea... good stuff!

Can someone walk me through the process of becoming a lich? I have read up on it on the UESP, and the Elder Scrolls Wiki, but it is all a load of big words to me. "The soul magma is transferred into the magical phylactery which contains the undying essence of the Necromancer" dosen't really mean much to me. Can someone explain it in VERY simple terms?