Teineeva said:
David said:
Paws said:
David said:
@Paws that is why I was confused by that because if that group os there to protect and enforce the laws/rule of Akatosh why would they use Deadra to do so? Also, found it weird that the Empire haven't banned/outlawed Deadra worshipping because that makes no sense at all.
I get what you're saying :) The way things are presented to us by the games tends to make us think that Gods = Good and Demons = Bad, but if we dig a bit and get into the minds and worldviews of the inhabitants of Tamriel and their own cultural and personal outlooks, we see that black and white morality break down.
It's like, for an empire which includes Khajiit who actively acknowledge Daedric Princes as part of their pantheon, who could exclude their views for not having any validity? Same for the Dunmer, as when they brokered a treaty with Tiber Septim, it included an agreement that their beliefs and cltural practices be allowed to continue. So we could say that acknowledging the Daedric Lords is also partly political for an Empire catering to diverse cultural and racial groups.
You may feel inclined to check out Persistence of Daedric Veneration, City of a Thousand Cults, and Faith in Tamriel :)
Not necessary in that way, but it is pretty hammered in that the Aedra are Good and that the Deadra are bad. I do know ES throws the whole concept of Good and Evil/Black and White out the window and more or less everything is Gray, which I like but hate also because it is a cop out.
The way I see it is that because the Empire, Legion and such is pretty much the Roman Empire, which banned all Non-Roman Pagan Gods than all Pagan Gods, I was figuring why they don't o the same.? I totally get that with the Khajiit and Dunmer, why wouldn't the Empire force them to convert or assimilate? I mean the Dunmer worship Boethiah and Mephala, who basically hate authority and rely on assassinations and such.
I will check those out, but they probably still won't help any XD
Here's the thing though, the Roman Empire didn't ban pagan gods as far as I know. They banned the Christian god (specifically they banned people from worshipping Jesus Christ) for a long time but most gods that weren't native to their own pantheon were slowly absorbed into it rather than being banned. Don't get me wrong, from what I understand they would force their own religion onto conquered territories but they usually either integrated the pagan gods into their own pantheon in the long run or replaced pagan gods that were similar to their own with their own version so that the locals would start worshipping the roman god instead.
In a way, it's exactly what the Empire in Cyrodiil seems to be doing, after all from what we learn in the third era; nords worship nord gods yet in Skyrim there is nearly no evidence of such a cult to have ever occured, instead all nordic gods have been replaced with their Imperial equivalent. Not to mention the fact that the Alessian pantheon was a bit of a mix of Nede, Nordic and Elven pantheons, most likely in an effort to keep all populations happy.
The Late Roman Empire did begin to ban Pagan worship under Constantine the Great when they became super into Christianity and what not. The First and Mid-Roman Empire did ban the concept of one God and Jesus, yes you are correct on that. They did absorb some of the other Gods from the Germanic tribes and such, but only if it could fit into their Pantheon in a sense, but very rarely.
Again, I totally get that and understand that to a point, but it doesn't make sense. Even in the Nordic, Elven, and Nedic the Deadra are evil, but the accounts in a way. What is stopping a Molang Bal worshiper from spreading their Vampiric disease, or violently take over the throne himself and allow him to cross over like in ESO and such? What is stopping a Dagon worshipper to do something similar to what the Mythic Dawn did? That is why I don't understand why they don't ban Deadric worshipping, because if enough people worshipp them and such than the Emipre itself will fall and you return to Tamriel like before with the Aeylids in a way.
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@Paws that is why I was confused by that because if that group os there to protect and enforce the laws/rule of Akatosh why would they use Deadra to do so? Also, found it weird that the Empire haven't banned/outlawed Deadra worshipping because that makes no sense at all.
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I get what you're saying :) The way things are presented to us by the games tends to make us think that Gods = Good and Demons = Bad, but if we dig a bit and get into the minds and worldviews of the inhabitants of Tamriel and their own cultural and personal outlooks, we see that black and white morality break down.
It's like, for an empire which includes Khajiit who actively acknowledge Daedric Princes as part of their pantheon, who could exclude their views for not having any validity? Same for the Dunmer, as when they brokered a treaty with Tiber Septim, it included an agreement that their beliefs and cltural practices be allowed to continue. So we could say that acknowledging the Daedric Lords is also partly political for an Empire catering to diverse cultural and racial groups.
You may feel inclined to check out Persistence of Daedric Veneration, City of a Thousand Cults, and Faith in Tamriel :)
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Not necessary in that way, but it is pretty hammered in that the Aedra are Good and that the Deadra are bad. I do know ES throws the whole concept of Good and Evil/Black and White out the window and more or less everything is Gray, which I like but hate also because it is a cop out.
The way I see it is that because the Empire, Legion and such is pretty much the Roman Empire, which banned all Non-Roman Pagan Gods than all Pagan Gods, I was figuring why they don't o the same.? I totally get that with the Khajiit and Dunmer, why wouldn't the Empire force them to convert or assimilate? I mean the Dunmer worship Boethiah and Mephala, who basically hate authority and rely on assassinations and such.
I will check those out, but they probably still won't help any XD
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Here's the thing though, the Roman Empire didn't ban pagan gods as far as I know. They banned the Christian god (specifically they banned people from worshipping Jesus Christ) for a long time but most gods that weren't native to their own pantheon were slowly absorbed into it rather than being banned. Don't get me wrong, from what I understand they would force their own religion onto conquered territories but they usually either integrated the pagan gods into their own pantheon in the long run or replaced pagan gods that were similar to their own with their own version so that the locals would start worshipping the roman god instead.
In a way, it's exactly what the Empire in Cyrodiil seems to be doing, after all from what we learn in the third era; nords worship nord gods yet in Skyrim there is nearly no evidence of such a cult to have ever occured, instead all nordic gods have been replaced with their Imperial equivalent. Not to mention the fact that the Alessian pantheon was a bit of a mix of Nede, Nordic and Elven pantheons, most likely in an effort to keep all populations happy.
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The Late Roman Empire did begin to ban Pagan worship under Constantine the Great when they became super into Christianity and what not. The First and Mid-Roman Empire did ban the concept of one God and Jesus, yes you are correct on that. They did absorb some of the other Gods from the Germanic tribes and such, but only if it could fit into their Pantheon in a sense, but very rarely.
Again, I totally get that and understand that to a point, but it doesn't make sense. Even in the Nordic, Elven, and Nedic the Deadra are evil, but the accounts in a way. What is stopping a Molang Bal worshiper from spreading their Vampiric disease, or violently take over the throne himself and allow him to cross over like in ESO and such? What is stopping a Dagon worshipper to do something similar to what the Mythic Dawn did? That is why I don't understand why they don't ban Deadric worshipping, because if enough people worshipp them and such than the Emipre itself will fall and you return to Tamriel like before with the Aeylids in a way.
